What would happen if we find Noah's ark?

[dad]

The problem here is that those postulating a local flood are attempting to 'rescue' the bible.

And on this point, is one of the rare occasions we agree. The compromise theories try to do just that. But we can never make peace with the devil, so to speak, and it will always be another, then another compromise, leading to utter defeat, instead of the total victory we could, and should have.

Because if a global flood is insisted upon, then the bible is wrong. No two ways about it.

Completely false. No two ways about it. You merely utter your total faith in the idea that the past must be held in the box, with the present. This is what everything you believe is based on, and echoing your beliefs here means nothing.
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Certainly, while a global flood and the attendant story is impossible for about a bazillion reasons,

None of which apply to a past where the fabric of the universe was different.

there's nothing impossible (or even unlikely) about the idea of a huge local flood that caused a man to make a boat and take his livestock aboard.

In an ocean liner sized boat he built under direct instruction from God? If it were found, say good bye to local flood twistings, at variance with scripture.

And that story get exaggerated over time into the Noah myth we have today (and, of course, the many other similar myths, some of which predate the bible).

Meaningless little tale, and pitiful attempt to disrespect the bible.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

And on this point, is one of the rare occasions we agree. The compromise theories try to do just that. But we can never make peace with the devil, so to speak, and it will always be another, then another compromise, leading to utter defeat, instead of the total victory we could, and should have.

Which assumes that anything other than a literal, factual interpretation is 'the devil', which is nonsense.

Completely false. No two ways about it. You merely utter your total faith in the idea that the past must be held in the box, with the present. This is what everything you believe is based on, and echoing your beliefs here means nothing.

Sorry, those of us who live in reality hoave no time for your silly merge.

None of which apply to a past where the fabric of the universe was different.

And if there was ANY evidence for such a past, you'd have something. There isn't. You don't.

In an ocean liner sized boat he built under direct instruction from God? If it were found, say good bye to local flood twistings, at variance with scripture.

If it were found? Goodbye to nothing at all.

Meaningless little tale, and pitiful attempt to disrespect the bible.

False twice. Not meannigless, and not an attempt to disrespect the bible. An attempt only to disrespect those who think they know everything about the bible and insist it must be interpretted THEIR way, even if that means adjusting reality accordingly.

 

[dad]

Which assumes that anything other than a literal, factual interpretation is 'the devil', which is nonsense.

That 'we cannot make peace with the devil', is a valid principle. How it is applied is a matter of debate.

Sorry, those of us who live in reality hoave no time for your silly merge.

Sorry, those of us not bound to your box, have no time for your love of it's chains.

And if there was ANY evidence for such a past, you'd have something. There isn't. You don't.

No evidence of a physical only past exists, in the place where only beliefs go, bible belivers are well armed. You are defenseless.

If it were found? Goodbye to nothing at all.

If the ark of Noah were found, the world would know, except for hardened enemies of God, that great things are and were at work, despite the kidnapping of reason that has occured in a crime against humanity.

False twice. Not meannigless, and not an attempt to disrespect the bible. An attempt only to disrespect those who think they know everything about the bible and insist it must be interpretted THEIR way, even if that means adjusting reality accordingly.

Those who define reality by the box of the physical universe, which is full of death and corruption, may not enforce their dark false reality on men of faith.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Sorry, those of us not bound to your box, have no time for your love of it's chains.

There is no box; it exists only in your mind.

No evidence of a physical only past exists, in the place where only beliefs go, bible belivers are well armed. You are defenseless.

There is ample evidence that the past has been like the present. There is no evidence of anything else.

If the ark of Noah were found, the world would know, except for hardened enemies of God, that great things are and were at work, despite the kidnapping of reason that has occured in a crime against humanity.

If the ark were found the world would know that at some stage some guy built a big boat. Nothing more.

Those who define reality by the box of the physical universe, which is full of death and corruption, may not enforce their dark false reality on men of faith.

Those who define reality as whatever is necessary to prevent their religious beliefs being violated may not enforce their dark false reality on men of reason and rationality.

 

[Grengor]

Making up whatever you want to fit your beliefs is just in the box theism, jeez.

 

[dad]

There is no box; it exists only in your mind.

The post right before here I defined it for you, as you know. "the box of the physical universe" I am not the only one who understands that we live in a this natural universe. There really is a universe. ASk any scientist, if you doubt. O ye of little faith.

There is ample evidence that the past has been like the present. There is no evidence of anything else.

Wrong, not the far past. The evidence we have does not speak to this. Can you put some of this evidence the past was like the present, exactly, on the table here?

If the ark were found the world would know that at some stage some guy built a big boat. Nothing more.

Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions would also have a 'chill run up their back', and realize that the bible was true after all, and they were lied to for a long time, and probably get somewhat peeved at that.

Those who define reality as whatever is necessary to prevent their religious beliefs being violated may not enforce their dark false reality on men of reason and rationality.

Than you. So don't try to peddle your speck, or granny bacteria, or unprovable physical only past and future.

 

[dad]

Making up whatever you want to fit your beliefs is just in the box .....

This, those in the order of the great speck, and phantom evo past are guilty of. Myself, I cannot falsely admit to such crimes, as I didn't make up the spirit world, or God, the flood, or the bible, which speaks to us of a future, and past that were different than your pitiful box.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The post right before here I defined it for you, as you know. "the box of the physical universe" I am not the only one who understands that we live in a this natural universe. There really is a universe. ASk any scientist, if you doubt. O ye of little faith.

There is no box. It exists in your mind and nowhere else.

Wrong, not the far past. The evidence we have does not speak to this. Can you put some of this evidence the past was like the present, exactly, on the table here?

Look, you have no idea what evidence even is. Don't attempt to discuss it. You'll just embarass yourself further.

Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions would also have a 'chill run up their back', and realize that the bible was true after all, and they were lied to for a long time, and probably get somewhat peeved at that.

lol yeah, right. And they'll all swarm over you and be immediately converted to dad-worship.

So don't try to peddle your speck, or granny bacteria, or unprovable physical only past and future.

What speck? What does my granny have to do with it?

So don't try to peddle your idiotic merge here. Nobody's buying your nonsense.

This, those in the order of the great speck, and phantom evo past are guilty of. Myself, I cannot falsely admit to such crimes, as I didn't make up the spirit world, or God, the flood, or the bible, which speaks to us of a future, and past that were different than your pitiful box.

You made up your silly little pre-merge world, your idea that is so ludicrous even other christians laugh at it like the idiocy it is.

 

[dad]

There is no box. It exists in your mind and nowhere else.

The natural, physical universe does exist, despite your somewhat strange denials here. Hint: Denying the universe does not help your case (as if you had one)

Look, you have no idea what evidence even is. Don't attempt to discuss it. You'll just embarass yourself further.

I am not embarassed at your lack of evidence, relax.

lol yeah, right. And they'll all swarm over you and be immediately converted to dad-worship.

Finding Noah's ark has nothing to do with 'worshipping' some modern man. But it would be something of great note to people of faith, and even more so, perhaps, to those looking for faith.

What speck? What does my granny have to do with it?

You tell me.

You made up your silly little pre-merge world, your idea that is so ludicrous even other christians laugh at it like the idiocy it is.

Bible believers would not, by and large scoff at a coming spiritual eternal new heavens and earth, nor be able to easily dismiss the connection to our past. Just because someone may have a loud, maniaical laugh, does not mean that they have a monopoly on logic, reason, nor evidence!

 

[Electric Sceptic]

The natural, physical universe does exist, despite your somewhat strange denials here. Hint: Denying the universe does not help your case (as if you had one)

Oh, the universe exists, alright. Just not the nonsensical box you rave about.

I am not embarassed at your lack of evidence, relax.

Too busy being embarassed at your own lack of evidence?

Finding Noah's ark has nothing to do with 'worshipping' some modern man. But it would be something of great note to people of faith, and even more so, perhaps, to those looking for faith.

Yeah, maybe we'd have more people ranting about boxes and the idiotic merge.

You tell me.

No, you tell me. You're the one who brought my granny up.

Bible believers would not, by and large scoff at a coming spiritual eternal new heavens and earth, nor be able to easily dismiss the connection to our past. Just because someone may have a loud, maniaical laugh, does not mean that they have a monopoly on logic, reason, nor evidence!

Bible believes do indeed scoff at the rubbish that you spew forth. Certainly, someone with a loud maniacal laugh doesn't have a monopoly on logic, reason or evidence, but it's obvious that you are sadly lacking on those three categories.

 

[dad]

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This thread isn't the place for empty negative repetitive droning. You have no evidence for this past PO universe that is the basis of all your belief. Fine. I can live with that.

 

[AirPo]

This thread isn't the place for empty negative repetitive droning. You have no evidence for this past PO universe that is the basis of all your belief. Fine. I can live with that.

All evidence points to a PO past.

 

[BananaSlug]

What does PO mean?

 

[AirPo]

What does PO mean?

Physical Only. It's a dadism.

 

[Uphill Battle]

All evidence points to a PO past.

how can scientists, who study only the physical, have an opinion on the matter?

 

[BananaSlug]

how can scientists, who study only the physical, have an opinion on the matter?

because all the evidence points to it (so far). If evidence for something other than the "PO" comes along, we'll have to examine it like everything else.

How can creationists, who only study Genesis, have an opinion on the matter of evolution?

 

[Uphill Battle]

because all the evidence points to it (so far). If evidence for something other than the "PO" comes along, we'll have to examine it like everything else.

How can creationists, who only study Genesis, have an opinion on the matter of evolution?

because Genesis DOES point to something about how things came to be.

And we do NOT study only Genesis... that is a generalization that you cannot back up.

if you don't study things other than "po" then you can't really know about anything outside of it, I'd wager.

 

[BananaSlug]

What qualifications do YEC's have to make proclamations against evolution? What molecular, paleontological, or biological research have they done? YEC's simply quotemine and use "personal incredulity" arguements against evolution.

Name some scientific experiements that falsify evolution. We can't study anything other than the "PO" because once we find something other than the "PO" it becomes part of the "PO." There are fields of parapsychology and "ghost hunters." While most things of that nature can be explained with glare, insect reflections, etc. there is still a very small percentage that we cannot explain. But as stated before, once something supernatural is found and recorded beyond a shadow of a doubt, it is no longer "supernatural."

 

[Uphill Battle]

What qualifications do YEC's have to make proclamations against evolution? What molecular, paleontological, or biological research have they done? YEC's simply quotemine and use "personal incredulity" arguements against evolution.

Name some scientific experiements that falsify evolution. We can't study anything other than the "PO" because once we find something other than the "PO" it becomes part of the "PO." There are fields of parapsychology and "ghost hunters." While most things of that nature can be explained with glare, insect reflections, etc. there is still a very small percentage that we cannot explain. But as stated before, once something supernatural is found and recorded beyond a shadow of a doubt, it is no longer "supernatural."

again, broad spectrum accusation. I wouldn't mind if you'd stop doing it.

nothing will falsify evolution. My personal belief is that it is unfalsifiable. (I'm not going to debate that point with you, we won't agree.)

error in logic. stating that something becomes less than what it is, because you know about it, is untrue.

also, there is a great deal that we do not understand or explain. The common belief is that there is very little left to figure out, but this is WAY off base.

 

[nvxplorer]

how can scientists, who study only the physical, have an opinion on the matter?

Because only the physical can be reliably studied. False ideas and claims can be rejected by studying the physical, while there is no such method to discern the validity of anything supernatural. This is how we function in everyday life. This is how we think. If we appealed to the supernatural, not a single criminal conviction would be possible.