What would happen if we find Noah's ark?

[Uphill Battle]

What about the Earth do you associate with being a young planet? How many old Earths have you compared this one to? Saying it looks young is one thing but so far, I don't recall seeing any qualification for the statement. What would it look like if it were older? How would it be different?

I think we've been through this, haven't we? I don't have an "old earth" to compare it to. you don't have a "young earth" to compare to. In appearance, to me, it seems young. SUBJECTIVE.

 

[funyun]

I think we've been through this, haven't we? I don't have an "old earth" to compare it to. you don't have a "young earth" to compare to. In appearance, to me, it seems young. SUBJECTIVE.

Yes, appearances are subjective. Evidence is not.

 

[nvxplorer]

I think we've been through this, haven't we? I don't have an "old earth" to compare it to. you don't have a "young earth" to compare to. In appearance, to me, it seems young. SUBJECTIVE.

Without a basis for comparison, any claim is not subjective; it is only a guess.

Look at this photo. The only reason you can say this woman appears old is because you know what old people look like. Without such knowledge, you would be guessing.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yes, appearances are subjective. Evidence is not.

I did not say that Evidence IS subjective.

 

[Guywiththehead]

if, as I believe, there was a worldwid catastrophe, it would explain why things happened differently in the past.

No, it would not. The Flood would not cause continents to move extremely fast, change the rate of decay of radioactive elements, or other ways we measure the age of the Earth.

 

[MartinM]

He MUST be an idiot, if he doesn't believe this!

Yup, pretty much.



I like the way you totally ignored my point, incidentally.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Yup, pretty much.



I like the way you totally ignored my point, incidentally.

which one? when a thread gets moving this fast, I sometimes miss something. not intentional, I assure you.


So, you believe me to be an idiot?

 

[USincognito]

to be fair, I have never looked at the "meanders" in the Grand canyon. I have looked at other evidences that to me, suggest it was formed catastrophically. Let me look into that, and I will get back to you on that one point, if you care what my opinion is on it.

So you're saying you haven't looked at all the evidences? You haven't looked at how the Grand Canyon carves through billion year old schist? You haven't looked at how there is evidence in the canyon walls of surface activity during the supposed Flood year? You haven't looked at how the canyon twists and turns over its course to the sea which aren't explained by a single event, but by millions of years of erosion? You haven't looked at geological considerations of how long it takes to erode different strata?

How then can you take the stance that your "belief" about the Grand Canyon has any more foundation than that Native Americans are the lost tribes of Israel or that fairies repair shoes?

 

[USincognito]

I did not say that Evidence IS subjective.

Actually, you are. You're claiming that the magnetic bands on the ocean floor are subjective. You're claiming that known erosion rates are subjective. You're claimng that the content of the strata which were eroded is subjective. You're claiming that India slamming into Asia and continuing to raise the Himilayas is subjective. You're claiming that the volcanic effluent of the Hawaiian islands - and their movement via plate tectonics - over the Pacific hotspot is subjective.

The ultimate irony of many YECs is that they claim know "truth," but at the same time deny the evidence their very own eyes shows them.

 

[Beastt]

I think we've been through this, haven't we? I don't have an "old earth" to compare it to. you don't have a "young earth" to compare to. In appearance, to me, it seems young. SUBJECTIVE.

I don't think the word "subjective" applies. Without knowing what looks old, (as planets go), and what looks young, it's rather like saying that in your subjective opinion a water droplet looks old or young. If you have no way to compare, it's really a pointless statement.

 

[BelovedSonofRock]

What is the point of people who do not believe in God or the living word of God to feel so pressed to discuss matters of the Bible or the existance of God?

Because the Bible is used against us. It is used to show that we are wrong. The Bible was used by Protestants to slaughter Catholics. It was used by Catholics to slaughter Protestants. It was used to enslave people. And the people who use the Bible in those ways can't see the Bible for what it really is...midrashim within a midrash.

They state that it must be taken literally true. They cheer and sing about when YHWH orders Joshua not just to take the city of Jericho but to make it a sacrifice by killing every man, woman, and child (including the unborn children). That is genocide!

They use it to back up scientific claims for the Bible plainly states that the earth is flat and the earth is young. The Bible also says that thoughts come from the heart. Thoughts do not come for the heart; they come from the brain. (And don't claim that it is a metaphor. It's a metaphor today but not back when the Hebrew Bible and the Christian testament were written.)

It's used to deny homosexuals their human rights.
It's used to determine how to vote.
It's used to determine foreign policy.
These people push to have its commandments displayed in US court rooms when the first commandment violates the US Constitution.
And because of the interpretation of the Bible's endtimes prophecy, there are people actively working to rebuild the Jewish Temple so that it causes a major war which causes Jesus to return.

When you are being attacked you need to study the weapon that is being used against you so that you can know its weaknesses.

 

[SH89]

And because of the interpretation of the Bible's endtimes prophecy, there are people actively working to rebuild the Jewish Temple so that it causes a major war which causes Jesus to return.

Actually, we[Christians] are to have nothing to do with the tribulation temple. I don't understand where you get "so that i causes a major war." You are correct, when you say that efforts are being made to rebuild the temple. However, according to biblical prophecy, the antichrist will sit in the tribulation temple and proclaim himself as god(2 Thessalonians 2:3-4). After the antichrist signs a 7 year covenant with Israel, he will cease sacrifices in the temple halfway through the 7 year period( 3 1/2 years into the trib.). This temple will receive no sanction from God(Isaiah 66:1-6).

Christians should stay away from this temple, and avoid funding it.It will be rebuilt(according to biblical prophecy), so it is best just to ignore it.

Here is the official site:https://www.templeinstitute.org/

 

[nitesco]

If we actually found Noahs ark, and we were certain that it was, then I would say the story of Noahs ark was true. Honestly though, I'm a guessing it won't be found.

 

[MartinM]

which one? when a thread gets moving this fast, I sometimes miss something. not intentional, I assure you.

Given that I've only made two posts in this thread, one of which is pointing out that you ignored my point, I shouldn't think it's that hard to figure out. Try post #247. The one you already responded to with something completely irrelevant, prompting me to point out that you ignored my point.

 

[Uphill Battle]

So you're saying you haven't looked at all the evidences? You haven't looked at how the Grand Canyon carves through billion year old schist? You haven't looked at how there is evidence in the canyon walls of surface activity during the supposed Flood year? You haven't looked at how the canyon twists and turns over its course to the sea which aren't explained by a single event, but by millions of years of erosion? You haven't looked at geological considerations of how long it takes to erode different strata?

How then can you take the stance that your "belief" about the Grand Canyon has any more foundation than that Native Americans are the lost tribes of Israel or that fairies repair shoes?

billion year old schist? don't believe billion year old exists. Listen, I've looked at the fact that it twists and turns. I don' think that proves that it isn't a single event at all. You said it like it was some new evidence. It's not. Just a different way of saying the same thing.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Unmitigated nonsense. We test these things precisely by assuming them. We assume something to be true, work out what should and shouldn't be observed in that case, and compare to reality. It's called scientific method. Handy, eh?

This is the one you wanted me to respond to? you can actually work out everything that should and shouldn't happen based on assumptions? you really believe you can?

 

[Uphill Battle]

Because the Bible is used against us. It is used to show that we are wrong. The Bible was used by Protestants to slaughter Catholics. It was used by Catholics to slaughter Protestants. It was used to enslave people. And the people who use the Bible in those ways can't see the Bible for what it really is...midrashim within a midrash.

They state that it must be taken literally true. They cheer and sing about when YHWH orders Joshua not just to take the city of Jericho but to make it a sacrifice by killing every man, woman, and child (including the unborn children). That is genocide!

They use it to back up scientific claims for the Bible plainly states that the earth is flat and the earth is young. The Bible also says that thoughts come from the heart. Thoughts do not come for the heart; they come from the brain. (And don't claim that it is a metaphor. It's a metaphor today but not back when the Hebrew Bible and the Christian testament were written.)

It's used to deny homosexuals their human rights.
It's used to determine how to vote.
It's used to determine foreign policy.
These people push to have its commandments displayed in US court rooms when the first commandment violates the US Constitution.
And because of the interpretation of the Bible's endtimes prophecy, there are people actively working to rebuild the Jewish Temple so that it causes a major war which causes Jesus to return.

When you are being attacked you need to study the weapon that is being used against you so that you can know its weaknesses.

yep. The bible is used for some pretty heinious crimes and view points.
so is the koran, or any other holy script.
so is the whim and opinion of any person out there. You think cruelty is limited to the religious? Give me a break.

 

[Uphill Battle]

Actually, you are. You're claiming that the magnetic bands on the ocean floor are subjective. You're claiming that known erosion rates are subjective. You're claimng that the content of the strata which were eroded is subjective. You're claiming that India slamming into Asia and continuing to raise the Himilayas is subjective. You're claiming that the volcanic effluent of the Hawaiian islands - and their movement via plate tectonics - over the Pacific hotspot is subjective.

The ultimate irony of many YECs is that they claim know "truth," but at the same time deny the evidence their very own eyes shows them.

I didn't say anything about the above. you brought it up, I didn't say this was subjective. I see the evidence of the way things are now the same as you do. Things are operating at a certain rate NOW. the difference is, I don't believe they always were. you do.

 

[Guywiththehead]

I don' think that proves that it isn't a single event at all.

It does. Sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALALALA NO IT DOESN'T LALALALALA" doesn't change that.

 

[nvxplorer]

This is the one you wanted me to respond to? you can actually work out everything that should and shouldn't happen based on assumptions? you really believe you can?

Assumption: Gravity. If I drop a ball, it will hit the ground.
Test: Drop ball.

Assumption supported by test.

This simplistic example is really no different than any other scientific experiment, other than complexity.