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What Would Falsify the Flood?

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Mammal-like reptiles, now that is a contradiction in and of itself. Can we say mammals that had reptile features, since dinosaurs were also not reptiles, this is the most logical conclusion. But of course evolutionists assured me for years dinosaurs were reptiles and they knew what they were talking about. Now we no longer believe that, even though you used the reptile argument for years to ignore any other theories.

It can't be that way, they are reptiles. Face it, they were mammals and warm-blooded.

So once again we find what you claim is wrong is right and what you claim is right is wrong. par for course where evolutionists are concerned.

You can say that the early mammal-like reptiles were reptiles with mammalian features and the later ones were mammals with reptilian features. The middle ones are a toss up. What else would you expect from a transitional series of species? Didn't you say there were not any???
 
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You can say that the early mammal-like reptiles were reptiles with mammalian features and the later ones were mammals with reptilian features. The middle ones are a toss up. What else would you expect from a transitional series of species? Didn't you say there were not any???

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You can say that the early mammal-like reptiles were reptiles with mammalian features and the later ones were mammals with reptilian features. The middle ones are a toss up. What else would you expect from a transitional series of species? Didn't you say there were not any???


None at all, merely variation of species, which you mistake as transitional. Just as evolutionists mistook baby dinosaurs as separate species, just as they mistook several fragments as transitional between H erectus and apes that turned out to be variation of H erectus. Just as they mistake H erectus as a separate species, when it is merely a variation of H sapiens. Or one could say we are a mere variation of H erectus, if you prefer it that way. just as cats are mere variation of the same species.

Or one could say that the early mammal-like creatures were mammals with reptilian features. The middle ones mammals with features of both and the latter ones mammals with reptilian features. Some of the early ones, middle ones and later ones are undoubtedly reptiles, no one can say with certainty exactly what they were since we have no living specimens to examine. Basically it is anyone's best guess. But with today's thinking that dinosaurs were not reptiles, my bet is that the predecessors of mammals were not reptiles either.

I would expect nothing from a transitional species as evolutionists define them since they do not exist. I would however expect variation amongst species to change appearances drastically, the same as we caused by manipulating the cat species within a few generations that might have taken thousands of years without mankind's interference. It is this drastic change in appearance that we observe in cats in a few generations from interference by mankind that you mistake as transitional in the fossil record.

If you did not know how cats came to be, had never observed any living species, and found a house cat, Panther and Tiger fossil; you would assume the house cat and Panther were transitional species leading to Tiger. This is what has happened in the fossil record. You merely observe different stages of variation within that species that take long periods of time to happen when not directly interfered with by mankind's manipulation of breeding. Had cats in the past not came to live with man, we would not have the variety we see today, at least not in a mere few generations.

The same with dogs. Had the wolf not come to live with mankind, the German Shepard would not exist, at least within our lifetimes. What happened within a few generations would in nature undoubtedly taken thousands of years. And would be confused as transitional if they had never been observed in modern times.

If a meteor were to blast us back into the stone age, in a few thousand years our ancestors will have to listen all over again as to how dogs and cats are transitional species. If thy make it into the fossil record.

This is why there are distinct gaps. Not because so many are missing, but because variation can happen rapidly. How many steps did it take to go from wolf to German Shepard, to Doberman, to Rottweiler, to pug? So this might have occurred naturally over long periods of time without man, and would seem to imply transitional species if one did not know how they actually came about.

It is not variation of species I dispute, but one species changing into another species, something never once observed.
 
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Justa, changes at the species level has been observed several times. You keep denying those claims. What has not been directly observed is changes at the family level, I am not going to quite rule out changes at the genus level.

That is where we have to observe the changes in the fossil record and it can be observed there.

The question is why do you keep saying how the flood could be falsified. It has to be at least somewhat reasonable. Like the Cambrian rabbit would debunk evolution.

Also you have been corrected more than once on your claim about different dinosaurs being of the same family. By me twice. By others too.

Lastly there is a test for you in the physical science section that you seem to be avoiding.
 
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If we found an arthropod fossil in the Cretaceous, would this falsify flood geology?

Also, how do you explain the correlation between depth in the fossil record with post-flood survival? Why is it that the chances of a species surviving after the flood is determined by how deeply others of that same species are buried in flood sediments?


Why would it, natural processes are not uniform as in the laboratory, but you know this already. You are simply attempting to build a strawman.

So if we find Archaeopteryx is not a bird at all, would that disprove evolution? Since evolutionists relied upon it for years as their prime transitional species between dinosaur and bird?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sil-knocks-oldest-bird-off-perch-2327221.html

So were you were basically mistaken for 100 years yet claimed it as undisputed fact. Just as you claim things today as undisputed fact from mere fragments.

It is a never ending story. Time after time theory turns out not to be correct but you never once reconsider the basic theory of evolution, just continue to assume it is fact. So factual that there are at least 12 different theories of evolution as you scrambled to get around the falsifying observations. So undisputed that your own evolutionists can't agree on how it happened, so I would say that the evidence you claim is certain, is not as certain as you want to believe it is. If you have 12 different theories on how it happened then you can't really be too certain of anything. Not only how it happened, but if it happened at all. If this evidence is as concrete as you say it is, there would not be so many interpretations of what it implies.

We don't have 12 different theories in physics, just one that has tested out, the rest are mere mathematical models, we don't have 12 different interpretations of light, or sound, or even the atom. Only in evolution are the facts considered concrete, yet no one can agree to what they mean. At least physicists admit there are uncertainties in their models. Evolutionists only claim fact.
 
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Justa, changes at the species level has been observed several times. You keep denying those claims. What has not been directly observed is changes at the family level, I am not going to quite rule out changes at the genus level.

That is where we have to observe the changes in the fossil record and it can be observed there.

The question is why do you keep saying how the flood could be falsified. It has to be at least somewhat reasonable. Like the Cambrian rabbit would debunk evolution.

Also you have been corrected more than once on your claim about different dinosaurs being of the same family. By me twice. By others too.

Lastly there is a test for you in the physical science section that you seem to be avoiding.

This from a man that thinks Lions and Tigers are separate species when they interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Evolutionists prime definition of species. So excuse me if I doubt anything you claim as a separate species is in reality that.

If you can't get two living creatures classified correctly, I have no doubt you can't get ones you have never seen right.
 
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So if we find Archaeopteryx is not a bird at all, would that disprove evolution? Since evolutionists relied upon it for years as their prime transitional species between dinosaur and bird?

Chinese fossil knocks oldest bird off perch - Asia - World - The Independent

So were you were basically mistaken for 100 years yet claimed it as undisputed fact. Just as you claim things today as undisputed fact from mere fragments.

LOL. Poor reading comprehension strikes again.

Actually the fact that they cannot decide exactly where to put the Archaeopteryx shows that it is a perfect transitional species.

I mean really, how hard is it to understand that a creature right in the middle would have people shouting "It is a bird" and others shouting "It is a dinosaur".

That is the perfect example of a transitional creature.

And look at Justa, he is ready to change his mind on whether it is a bird or a dinosaur as long as you don't call it a transitional species.

Thanks Justa, you just proved beyond a doubt that the Archaeopteryx is a transitional species. I have not had this much fun since Gish and company proved that Homo erectus was a transitional between other apes and man.
 
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This from a man that thinks Lions and Tigers are separate species when they interbreed and produce fertile offspring. Evolutionists prime definition of species. So excuse me if I doubt anything you claim as a separate species is in reality that.

If you can't get two living creatures classified correctly, I have no doubt you can't get ones you have never seen right.


Wrong, they do not breed fertile offspring. They breed offspring of very limited fertility.

That makes them different species. Why do you keep repeating errors that you have been corrected on?

If you don't believe me read this:

Fertility[edit]

The fertility of hybrid big cat females is well documented across a number of different hybrids. This is in accordance with Haldane's rule: in hybrids of animals whose sex is determined by sex chromosomes, if one sex is absent, rare or sterile, it is the heterogametic sex (the one with two different sex chromosomes e.g. X and Y).
According to Wild Cats of the World (1975) by C. A. W. Guggisberg, ligers and tigons were long thought to be sterile: in 1943, a fifteen-year-old hybrid between a lion and an 'Island' tiger was successfully mated with a lion at the Munich Hellabrunn Zoo. The female cub, though of delicate health, was raised to adulthood.[15]
In September 2012, the Russian Novosibirsk Zoo announced the birth of a "liliger", which is the offspring of a liger mother and a lion father. The cub was named Kiara

Liger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See, very limited fertility. By my definition different species.

Perhaps I need to start ending all of my posts with Justa with:

Wrong. Try again.
 
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This from a man that thinks Lions and Tigers are separate species when they interbreed and produce fertile offspring.

Then why are there lions and tigers?

Evolutionists prime definition of species.

Yes, the prime definition where species are defined by a limitation of genetic flow between populations causing divergence of the two populations, which is exactly what we see between lions and tigers. They are correctly classed.
 
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Why would it, natural processes are not uniform as in the laboratory, but you know this already. You are simply attempting to build a strawman.

Then tell me what the real flood theory is. What features in a geologic formation would falsify a recent global flood? Just answer the question.

So if we find Archaeopteryx is not a bird at all, would that disprove evolution?

Why would finding a dinosaur with bird features falsify evolution, since that is exactly what the theory predicts we should find? What would disprove evolution is a fossil with a mixture of mammal and bird features.

See how easy that is? I just gave you an example of a potential falsification. Now it is your turn. What would falsify a recent global flood?
 
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Based on what criteria? What features would a fossil need in order to be transitional?

Based upon his need for the Bible story to be true.

And I have no idea where he came up with the idea that the offspring of tigers and lions are fertile. The sources I can find say at the very most they are of extremely limited fertility.

Of course what does the theory of evolution predict as species grow further and further apart? That they would be of decreasing fertility as speciation advances.

Does creation "science" have an answer for this? The answer is not really.
 
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What falsifications? I have seen nothing yet but claims that it is wrong. While the creationists are showing paper after paper where scientists say it was a catastrophic even by water. The evolutionists on the other hand can not present a single paper, just links to blog sites where people can say anything. Or sites to someones theory, which contains no factual science.

Your denial of the evidence is obvious and quite old.
Show me a paper please that explains where the water came from? The earth does not have enough water to cover the landmasses. Also where it went after the flood! I want factual science not just the ''Bible says so case closed".
 
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Flood waters cannot carve out a canyon through solid rock within one year, and solid rock cannot form rapidly during a flood. If the receding waters carved through soft sediments (whcih hardened later), it would not have left such steep sides behind.

Ever hear of the little Grand Canyon that was formed in a very short time frame? Complete with stratified walls.
 
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Ever hear of the little Grand Canyon that was formed in a very short time frame? Complete with stratified walls.

Yes, I have heard of that.

A fair warning before you hang your argument on it - it's nowhere near as good an argument as you probably think it is.
 
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Mammal-like reptiles, now that is a contradiction in and of itself. Can we say mammals that had reptile features, since dinosaurs were also not reptiles, this is the most logical conclusion. But of course evolutionists assured me for years dinosaurs were reptiles and they knew what they were talking about. Now we no longer believe that, even though you used the reptile argument for years to ignore any other theories.

Dinosaurs.

Are.

Reptiles.
 
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Dinosaurs.

Are.

Reptiles.

Are they cold blooded like reptiles? No, we have a lot of evidene that suggests that dinosaurs were warm blooded.

Did dinosaurs have sideways-sprawled legs like reptiles? No, their legs were directly underneath their bodies.

The Saurischian dinosaurs were actually very closely related to modern day birds.
 
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No, we have a lot of evidene that suggests that dinosaurs were warm blooded.

That doesn't mean they're not reptiles.

No, their legs were directly underneath their bodies.

That doesn't mean that they weren't reptiles.

The Saurischian dinosaurs were actually very closely related to modern day birds.

That doesn't mean they weren't reptiles.
 
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