What Would Falsify the Flood?

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe because I'm getting fed up with having "scientific method" shoved down my throat by people who do everything but.

They don't proofread their posts, they don't read something that looks odd a second time, they post with broken quote tags, they mistype and misspell words, and on and et cetera.

All the while, telling us how our country is in 26th place in the academic world.

Whatever.

Sometimes I, and probably others as well, get a bit ticked off by he ridiculous arguments and defenses put up by creationists. If this was a straight scientific debate your side would have lost years ago. Instead all sorts of lies and obfuscations are brought up as if they were genuine points.

Here is something you would appreciate:

It would try the patience of Job so you should allow us a little more leeway.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear SZ, Sure. For more than 99% of the time since man diverged from Chimps, he remained like an animal, looking for something to eat and a place to sleep. SUDDENLY some 10k years ago, farmers began to grow crops, which brought on homebuilding, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans.
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We did not diverge from Chimps. Neither evolution nor the Bible support that claim. Perhaps you would like to try again?

Dear SZ, Ok, technically we diverged from the common ancestor of Apes and Chimps evolved one way and the sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved another way. We diverged from our closest relatives the Chimps, some 6 million years ago. I support what I write with the agreement of scripture, science and history.

Here is the evidence of the SUDDEN arrival of farmers, which brought Human civilization to this Planet. In LESS than 1% of the time since man first roamed this Earth, we have gone from Caves to the Moon and back. Evols refuse to believe this since it is empirical evidence which refutes their false assumptions. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
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How is this any sort of evidence against evolution? You have to do better than to state an obvious fact.

It is empirical evidence of the arrival of the first Humans exactly where God tells us they arrived. This means that the False ToE, which does NOT know this Truth, is exposed as an incomplete, false, theory. Human civilization and History refute the Lies of the ToE.

I predict you will hand wave and call names but in the end you will be totally unable to explain this Scientitic and Historic Fact, which exposes the incomplete data which Evols have falsely assumed.
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Once again, how is this fact supposed to mean anything at all in this debate?
It seems at best you have an argument from ignorance.

The ignorance is on the part of Evols, who reject God's Truth for an incomplete Theory, which cannot explain How or When the sons of God (prehistoic people) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, into Humans. They are "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. ll Peter 3:5

BTW, There has NEVER been a Global Flood on our Planet. The Global Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world, destroyed a much smaller world than our present Cosmos...BUT...it did happen EXACTLY as God told us it did, some 10k years ago, and Noah came to our world which was NOT destroyed in the Flood.
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And your evidence for this is? And how did our ancestors get from that world to this one?

What is actually written in Genesis which reveals scientific and historic truth which has been ignored by Godless men. When the first firmament sank, the 450 foot Ark was released into Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. The entire FIRST world was destroyed in the Flood, but our world is STILL here.

Here's the mystery. How did the Ark get from the first Earth to our's on the SAME 150th day after the Flood began?

That is HOW prehistoric people inherited the Human intelligence of Adam. Like Cain, on Adam's world, Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry, so they married and produced children with the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes, and with the Human intelligence of Adam, who never stepped foot on our Earth. We, the 7 Billion living Humans on Earth today, are those children.

Again, what is your evidence that supports this? At best it seems you have some facts that you try to claim supports you. You have not shown how.

Since all you produce is a wildly hand waving argument at best it takes nothing at all to dismiss your argument.

The evidence is within the blood of every Human alive. We have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes AND we have the unique Human intelligece of Adam whose intelligence was like God's. Genesis 3:22

Then go ahead and try to dismiss it. I don't think you can. I predict you will run away shouting names. Fool me. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
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[AV1611VET]

Sometimes I, and probably others as well, get a bit ticked off by he ridiculous arguments and defenses put up by creationists. If this was a straight scientific debate your side would have lost years ago. Instead all sorts of lies and obfuscations are brought up as if they were genuine points.

Here is something you would appreciate:

It would try the patience of Job so you should allow us a little more leeway.

Who (or what) is "he" in your first sentence?

 

[Sayre]

Maybe because I'm getting fed up with having "scientific method" shoved down my throat by people who do everything but.

They don't proofread their posts, they don't read something that looks odd a second time, they post with broken quote tags, they mistype and misspell words, and on and et cetera.

All the while, telling us how our country is in 26th place in the academic world.

Whatever.

Seriously that made me LOL

You, a young earther and anti evolutionist, with a signature "the bible says it, that settles it" is criticising a scientist?

 

[AV1611VET]

You, a young earther...

Since when?

... and anti evolutionist,

Since when?

with a signature "the bible says it, that settles it" is criticising a scientist?

Yes, indeed.

As I'm fond of saying:

My niece can look a scientist right in the eyes and tell him he's wrong.

 

[biggles53]

He apologized, av, why you have to keep pushing? ;-)

Because, when you're wrong as often as AV is, you take every little 'victory' and cherish it mightily.....

 

[biggles53]

Seriously that made me LOL

You, a young earther and anti evolutionist, with a signature "the bible says it, that settles it" is criticising a scientist?

The funnier, and more revealing, aspect is the "science can take a hike" admonition...

"Science", after all, is nothing more than "knowledge". So, AV doesn't want knowledge to impede upon the way he views the world.....it's a little like those poor brain-washed kids in the Islamic madrasah schools isn't it..? Or perhaps a lot like the times when people could be put to death for owning a copy of the Bible....can't let the rubes find out things for themselves, can we..?

It's beyond sad.....

 

[Sayre]

Since when?

Since when?

Yes, indeed.

As I'm fond of saying:

My niece can look a scientist right in the eyes and tell him he's wrong.

Oh humour me.

AV - is evolution how God created?
How old is the earth?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh humour me.

Sure -- if other's beliefs are funny to you.

AV - is evolution how God created?

Sayre - no.

How old is the earth?

4.57 billion years.

 

[Sayre]

Sure -- if other's beliefs are funny to you.

Sayre - no.

4.57 billion years.

Righteo...

 

[pgp_protector]

Righteo...

You should have asked, "approximately how many times has the earth circled the Sun?"

 

[AV1611VET]

You should have asked, "approximately how many times has the earth circled the Sun?"

6015

 

[biggles53]

6015

Hmmm....yet it's 4.5 billion years old...?

 

[Sayre]

6015

The what?!?!

So you ARE a young earther, just being intentionally obfuscating?

That must be the AV version of honesty

 

[Golan]

6015

That must be the AV version of honesty

Nothing to do with honesty that's just what he wants to believe, he knows what's what, what's true and what's not.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Who (or what) is "he" in your first sentence?

"the"

 

[Subduction Zone]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear SZ, Sure. For more than 99% of the time since man diverged from Chimps, he remained like an animal, looking for something to eat and a place to sleep. SUDDENLY some 10k years ago, farmers began to grow crops, which brought on homebuilding, city building, and EVERY other trait of modern Humans.
​

Dear SZ, Ok, technically we diverged from the common ancestor of Apes and Chimps evolved one way and the sons of God (prehistoric man) evolved another way. We diverged from our closest relatives the Chimps, some 6 million years ago. I support what I write with the agreement of scripture, science and history.

Here is the evidence of the SUDDEN arrival of farmers, which brought Human civilization to this Planet. In LESS than 1% of the time since man first roamed this Earth, we have gone from Caves to the Moon and back. Evols refuse to believe this since it is empirical evidence which refutes their false assumptions. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
​

It is empirical evidence of the arrival of the first Humans exactly where God tells us they arrived. This means that the False ToE, which does NOT know this Truth, is exposed as an incomplete, false, theory. Human civilization and History refute the Lies of the ToE.

I predict you will hand wave and call names but in the end you will be totally unable to explain this Scientitic and Historic Fact, which exposes the incomplete data which Evols have falsely assumed.
​

The ignorance is on the part of Evols, who reject God's Truth for an incomplete Theory, which cannot explain How or When the sons of God (prehistoic people) evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, into Humans. They are "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. ll Peter 3:5

BTW, There has NEVER been a Global Flood on our Planet. The Global Flood which totally destroyed Adam's world, destroyed a much smaller world than our present Cosmos...BUT...it did happen EXACTLY as God told us it did, some 10k years ago, and Noah came to our world which was NOT destroyed in the Flood.
​

What is actually written in Genesis which reveals scientific and historic truth which has been ignored by Godless men. When the first firmament sank, the 450 foot Ark was released into Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. The entire FIRST world was destroyed in the Flood, but our world is STILL here.

Here's the mystery. How did the Ark get from the first Earth to our's on the SAME 150th day after the Flood began?

That is HOW prehistoric people inherited the Human intelligence of Adam. Like Cain, on Adam's world, Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry, so they married and produced children with the DNA of the common ancestor of Apes, and with the Human intelligence of Adam, who never stepped foot on our Earth. We, the 7 Billion living Humans on Earth today, are those children.



The evidence is within the blood of every Human alive. We have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes AND we have the unique Human intelligece of Adam whose intelligence was like God's. Genesis 3:22

Then go ahead and try to dismiss it. I don't think you can. I predict you will run away shouting names. Fool me. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
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Once again, no nonsense. I asked for evidence, specifically scientific evidence.

Do you know what scientific evidence is?

 

[Aman777]

Once again, no nonsense. I asked for evidence, specifically scientific evidence.

Do you know what scientific evidence is?

Dear SZ, Sure. It's evidence which can be observed, tested, and confirmed. I gave you the evidence of the first human farmers and you waved it away. Are you looking for confirmation from Godless Scientists which agree with the evidence? Where is YOUR evidence which refutes the empirical evidence I posted? So far, all is see is disagreement with God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dear SZ, Sure. It's evidence which can be observed, tested, and confirmed. I gave you the evidence of the first human farmers and you waved it away. Are you looking for confirmation from Godless Scientists which agree with the evidence? Where is YOUR evidence which refutes the empirical evidence I posted? So far, all is see is disagreement with God's Truth. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Your evidence does not support your claims.

And you forgot a very significant part of scientific evidence, it supports or counters a scientific hypothesis or theory. So you need a clearly stated hypothesis before you claim that that evidence supports you. And don't forget, all hypotheses are refutable. What scientific evidence would refute your hypothesis.

If you don't have the whole package you do not have scientific evidence.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

The Earth is not young, it is a mistaken belief from a misinterpretation of genesis.

In the oldest Hebrew manuscripts there is a mark of a pause between the 1st and 2nd verse. The word translated "was" is also translated as "became" some twenty places in this chapter alone.

The earth was not formless and void. Tohu wa Bohu is used in 3 places in the Bible, and in the other two instances point to a flourishing condition that was made desolate and waste. To interpret it differently in one verse is a misconception. - Gen 1:2; Isa. 34:11; Jer. 4:23

The earth "became" desolate and waste, and darkness covered the surface of the deep. No mention is made of the former creations and destruction's that took place, and the verses after concern themselves only with the creation of mankind and the animals that exist with him. This is why no modern animals can be traced back any further than modern man. Those that existed before were destroyed in the cataclysm that occurred.

The few that survived have gone through several cataclysms, crocodile, shark, etc. and beside basic variance in appearance and size changes are the exact same as the oldest fossils found of them.

How long the Earth existed before this cataclysm and how long it remained in darkness is unknown. If scientists want to claim 4 billion years, it is as good as guess as any.

But the last cataclysm before man was created was recent.

Timeline of environmental history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The time from roughly 15,000 to 5,000 BC was a time of transition, and swift and extensive environmental change, as the planet was moving from an Ice age, towards an interstadial (warm period). Sea levels rose dramatically (and are continuing to do so), land that was depressed by glaciers began lifting up again, forests and deserts expanded, and the climate gradually became more modern. In the process of warming up, the planet saw several "cold snaps" and "warm snaps", such as the Older Dryas and the Holocene climatic optimum, as well as heavier precipitation. In addition, the Pleistocene megafauna became extinct due to environmental and evolutionary pressures from the changing climate. This marked the end of the Quaternary extinction event, which was continued into the modern era by humans. The time around 11,700 years ago (9700 BC) is widely considered to be the end of the old age (Pleistocene, Paleolithic, Stone age, Wisconsin Ice Age), and the beginning of the modern world as we know it."

It was in an ice age because darkness had covered the surface of the deep. Sunlight could not get through the clouds. But God acted and caused heat to penetrate the clouds and evaporation to occurr, and the waters above (misty clouds) were separated from the waters below, and as it continued to heat up, dry land appeared. The word is ohr and designates "heat" not ma-ohr which designates light-bearers or luminaries as is used when designating the stars as signs of seasons. Man started using the stars to know when to plant and when to harvest.

But I certainly do not agree with young earth theory.