What Would Falsify the Flood?

[AV1611VET]

That's not possible. You don't have enough information on the original event to even look for your imagined event. And there are too few details provided to begin looking.

Good point.

I wonder if they deny Jack the Ripper ever existed?

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

That's not possible. You don't have enough information on the original event to even look for your imagined event. And there are too few details provided to begin looking.

Actually we do. If a global flood had occurred in the last few thousand years, or a couple of million Hebrews spent half a century in the Sinai desert, there would be tangible evidence. No evidence, no event.

Guess what?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's not possible. You don't have enough information on the original event to even look for your imagined event. And there are too few details provided to begin looking.

Actually there is enough information. We know what flowing water moving over a landscape does. We can see the results of smaller local floods that are before the supposed flood of Genesis. A larger flood would have left massive evidence. There is none. No evidence no flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually we do. If a global flood had occurred in the last few thousand years, or a couple of million Hebrews spent half a century in the Sinai desert, there would be tangible evidence. No evidence, no event.

Guess what?

Those 'couple million Hebrews' were immediately attacked by elite desert fighters, who "owned" that desert, known as Amalekites; and they were defeated with God's intervention.

'Half a century later,' the Hebrews, under Joshua, moved out of the desert into the Promised Land.

Surely you don't think the Amalekites, who no doubt were glad to see them go, just left their artifacts lying around the desert, do you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Those 'couple million Hebrews' were immediately attacked by elite desert fighters, who "owned" that desert, known as Amalekites; and they were defeated with God's intervention.

'Half a century later,' the Hebrews, under Joshua, moved out of the desert into the Promised Land.

Surely you don't think the Amalekites, who no doubt were glad to see them go, just left their artifacts lying around the desert, do you?

You have your timing wrong AVET. I believe she is talking about the couple of million Jews that supposedly escaped from Egypt. Remember, 40 years in the "wilderness"?

Archaeologists claim that there was no Exodus since they know they would have found artifacts of the 40 year sojourn. Do you think that 2 million people could cross the desert and leave no trace for that long of a period of time? Or was your janitor god cleaning up after them, again?

 

[AV1611VET]

A larger flood would have left massive evidence. There is none. No evidence no flood.

A 'larger flood' would not have disappeared within a year.

I think a mistake "scientists" make is assuming the Flood waters had enough time to leave water damage in accordance with a "natural global flood."

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Those 'couple million Hebrews' were immediately attacked by elite desert fighters, who "owned" that desert, known as Amalekites; and they were defeated with God's intervention.

'Half a century later,' the Hebrews, under Joshua, moved out of the desert into the Promised Land.

Surely you don't think the Amalekites, who no doubt were glad to see them go, just left their artifacts lying around the desert, do you?

Seriously? The Amelekites who attacked only the tail: the weak and stragglers, and were soundly defeated, criss-crossed a barren desert cleaning up the middens, horse dung, rotten carcasses of animals, the scars of the tens of thousands if campfires, the broken bits of tents, household implements, the detritus of two million people from over half a century? They came in like janitors to sweep up the foul garbage of a primitive people? Really?

Proud desert warriors cleaning out their enemies' middens. Sure.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have your timing wrong AVET.

Huh?

I believe she is talking about the couple of million Jews that supposedly escaped from Egypt.

So am I.

Remember, 40 years in the "wilderness"?

Yes.

Archaeologists claim that there was no Exodus since they know they would have found artifacts of the 40 year sojourn.

Archaeologists do not get to set the industry standards, when God is involved.

And as far as artifacts lying around ... go park your car and leave it there for a week, then come back and see how accurate archaeologists are.

Do you think that 2 million people could cross the desert and leave no trace for that long of a period of time?

Yes, if God was involved.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Or was your janitor god cleaning up after them, again?

Oh, I think the Amalekites had a hand in it too.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

A 'larger flood' would not have disappeared within a year.

I think a mistake "scientists" make is assuming the Flood waters had enough time to leave water damage in accordance with a "natural global flood."

Over a year. A flood covering the entire planet, lasting 150 days, draining off in 220, would leave massive traces. We find traces of floods lasting days or hours. Your saying 150 days left no traces at all?

Really?

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Huh?

So am I.

Yes.

Archaeologists do not get to set the industry standards, when God is involved.

And as far as artifacts lying around ... go park your car and leave it there for a week, then come back and see how accurate archaeologists are.

Yes, if God was involved.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Oh, I think the Amalekites had a hand in it too.

Ah, so the Amelekites are NOT proud desert warriors. They are easily defeated scrounged who love wading into other peoples excrement piles and cleaning them out. Along with the dead bodies, the dead animals, the broken bits of civilization.

And where did they move all this garbage to? Where are the great Sinai landfills? The massive Sinai compost heaps? The enormous Sinai incinerators?

 

[AV1611VET]

Over a year. A flood covering the entire planet, lasting 150 days, draining off in 220, would leave massive traces. We find traces of floods lasting days or hours. Your saying 150 days left no traces at all?

Really?

No, not 'really.'

How did you get '150 days' from my post?

The Flood was on the earth for one year, then rapidly assuaged.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, so the Amelekites are NOT proud desert warriors. They are easily defeated scrounged who love wading into other peoples excrement piles and cleaning them out. Along with the dead bodies, the dead animals, the broken bits of civilization.

And where did they move all this garbage to? Where are the great Sinai landfills? The massive Sinai compost heaps? The enormous Sinai incinerators?

Just out of curiosity, you're not Hespera, that used to post here, are you?

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

No, not 'really.'

How did you get '150 days' from my post?

The Flood was on the earth for one year, then rapidly assuaged.

I didn't. I went to your source. Genesis 7:24, I think.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Just out of curiosity, you're not Hespera, that used to post here, are you?

Nope.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Huh?


Archaeologists do not get to set the industry standards, when God is involved.

Another nonsense statement by AVET.

And as far as artifacts lying around ... go park your car and leave it there for a week, then come back and see how accurate archaeologists are.

AVET, they are not as foolishly uneducated as you are. They can tell when a car has only been parked outside for a week.

Yes, if God was involved.

And your evidence that a god was involved is? I hope it is something more substantial than a book written by dyspepsic goat herders that is self contradictory many times over.

Deuteronomy 29:5 And I have led you forty years in the wilderness: your clothes are not waxen old upon you, and thy shoe is not waxen old upon thy foot.

Oh, so now you are claiming that they were lying.

 

[AV1611VET]

I hope it is something more substantial than a book written by dyspepsic goat herders that is self contradictory many times over.

... you guys are solid aurum.

 

[Subduction Zone]

... you guys are solid aurum.

And what is wrong with the word dyspepsic? What word would you use to indicate a group that had dyspepsia?

Anemia/anemic, dyspepsia/dyspepsic.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

... you guys are solid aurum.

And that is neither an answer to a question , nor a contribution to the discussion.

If the events of the bible left traces, they are potentially verifiable. If you claim god erased those traces, then you claiming something the bible does not and eliminating god by way of Occam's razor.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you claim god erased those traces, then you claiming something the bible does not and eliminating god by way of Occam's razor.

I don't claim God 'erased traces;' so I think we can get off that merry-go-round, eh?

My point is that that Amalekites would have taken (or cleaned up) anything left behind by the Hebrews.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

I don't claim God 'erased traces;' so I think we can get off that merry-go-round, eh?

My point is that that Amalekites would have taken (or cleaned up) anything left behind by the Hebrews.

And I repeat, you claim is that the Amelekites - proud desert warriors, was your phrase, cleaned 80 millions man years of dung, garbage, bones, cemeteries, middens, tracks, campfire scars, not to mention the environmental damage caused to the fragile desert ecosystems.

Their ENEMIES' garbage?

And where did it all go? Where are the garbage heaps, the compact heaps, the incinerators?

The traces don't exist. If the Hebrews squirreled around in the Sinai for 40 years, they left no traces. Not even secondary clean-up traces.

Either god did it, or it didn't happen. If you claim god did it, you're adding to the bible. which you claim you're not doing.

Guess what's left?