What Would Falsify the Flood? (2)

[Atheos canadensis]

I already explained it to you. Do you have a problem with comprehending it?

You mentioned you are in the same state right now. No, you are not. You have internet, you can go out and do things, you can play video games, watch movies, find love, etc.

Like I said, if you prefer to be confined, forever alone, in an unpleasant place, with nothing to do then that is your thing I guess. But I never thought I'd meet anyone that would prefer that over freedom.

Perhaps the problem is not with my comprehension but with your inconsistency. What you have described above is something quite different from what you first described:

Hell is separation from God and heaven. Like being in jail. I am sure those people are tormented but not actual "tormented". It just isn't a nice place to be.

Here you are saying that I will be separated from God and that I will be tormented by this fact. That it will be "like being in jail"and isn't nice. You can see why that description holds no terror for me. Your new version, in which I am actually physically in solitary confinement is more daunting. So which is it?

Recall that our discussion on this topic arose because you were claiming to give your children a balanced view of the evolution vs creation issue and allowing them to choose for themselves. Then it was pointed out to you that you are not really providing a level playing field because you tell them that they will go to Hell if they choose wrong. You countered by saying that Hell didn't involve actual physical punishment. But now you are saying just that, which means you really aren't giving your children the option of freely choosing for themselves because they have the threat of this eternal physical imprisonment if they choose wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

Alleged progenitors, AV -- Alleged by people who wear ignorance like a badge.

Is David "alleged" to be king of Israel?

 

[AV1611VET]

These heroes have so I don't have to be.

From practicaldoubt.com? I'd say that's appropriate.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Is David "alleged" to be king of Israel?

One of many, AV -- is there a point to this red herring?

 

[AV1611VET]

One of many, AV -- is there a point to this red herring?

Yes ... "alleged" can take a hike.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes ... "alleged" can take a hike.

I see -- if King David was a real person, everything in the Bible must therefore be real?

Are you even trying anymore, AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

I see -- if King David was a real person, everything in the Bible must therefore be real?

If it's in the Bible ... believe me ... it's real.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If it's in the Bible ... believe me ... it's real.

But I don't believe you, AV -- you have a history of obfuscating, equivocating, and twisting.

Quite frankly, you're not very believable -- so why should your Bible be?

 

[AV1611VET]

Quite frankly, you're not very believable --

So what?

People don't believe me when I say Jesus walked on water.

 

[HitchSlap]

If it's in the Bible ... believe me ... it's real.

Actually, this is incorrect. The more you study the bible AV, you'll begin to understand this. You must be a new Christian, a "babe in the word," as they say, so I'll let your bold hubris slide.

 

[HitchSlap]

So what?

People don't believe me when I say Jesus walked on water.

Well, he did didn't, so why feign surprise?

 

[TLK Valentine]

So what?

People don't believe me when I say Jesus walked on water.

You believe it, even though you weren't there. That makes you credulous, though not necessarily credible.

 

[EternalDragon]

You believe it, even though you weren't there. That makes you credulous, though not necessarily credible.

Correction. He believes the eyewitness reports of those
that were there.

 

[AV1611VET]

Correction. He believes the eyewitness reports of those
that were there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Correction. He believes the eyewitness reports of those
that were there.

What eyewitness reports?

That clearly does not include the gospels or the pentateuch. And probably countless other books in the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

What eyewitness reports?

That clearly does not include the gospels ...

Actually they do.

Luke 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Correction. He believes the eyewitness reports of those
that were there.

Eyewitnesses, you say?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Actually they do.

Luke 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

So we have at least one Gospel writer admitting that he's passing along things that were told to him by... somebody.

 

[AV1611VET]

So we have at least one Gospel writer admitting that he's passing along things that were told to him by... somebody.

That passage is loaded with facts.

If that's all you got from it, you need to go back and read it a bit more slowly.

That is one impressive résumé Dr. Luke wrote.

 

[46AND2]

Actually they do.

Luke 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Where is the eyewitness account, AV? The author here is not the eyewitness. So that makes this a hearsay account.