What WOULD disprove Christianity?

[packermann]

In a very, very theoretical sense the finding of Jesus' body would disprove to me Christianity. But I cannot see how it is really possible to rule out fraud. That is always a possibility. When the apostles announced to the public that they saw Jesus allive after He was dead, it is hard for me to believe that SOMEBODY did not go to the tomb to check it out. And is hard for me to believe that if somebody did go the tomb and did find the body, that they would not have dragged the body down mainstreet Jerusalem, which would have made the apostles a laughingstock and killed the Christian movement beforeit even started. That showed to me, that nobody was able to find the body. And it is hard for me to believe that anyone 2,000 years later would be able to find the body when the contemporary enemies of Jesus could not.

This is not to say that my belief is not falsifiable. Its just that the producing the some body that some archaelogists say is Jesus would not do it.


My point of falsifiabilty is my Catholic faith. According to my Catholic faith, I believe that whatever the Pope had declared ex cathedra is infallible. This means that the Pope has never nor will never contradict what a previous Pope declared ex cathedra or ecumenical council declared. Do not misunderstand me. I am not talking about a pope changing whether we can eat on Fridays. That is not ec cathedra stuff. I am talking about a pope saying something like Jesus is not God, that there a fourth person in the Trinity, that abortion is OK, that there is no hell, that the pope himself is the second coming of Christ, etc. You would think that after 2,000 years of the Catholic Church, that some pope would have put his foot in his mouth. You would think that some pope would have contracted Alzheimers and said something ex cathedra. But this has never happened.

Another point of falsifiabilty is this. There are times that all the cardinals and bishops gather together to either select the next pope or for an ecumenical council. Now, if someone was to plant a bomb in the room and kill every single cardinal and bishop. That would totally destroy my Catholic faith. According to my faith, there would always be line of apostolic succession. If that line ever terminated, it would prove to me that Catholicism is false.

If any non-Catholic Christian wants to argue the validity of my Catholic faith, please PM me so we can discuss. I realize that this it not what this thread is about. I am just point out to the Ops that my faith is falsifiable. If my Catholic faith is falsifiable, then my Catholic faith is credible. And if my Catholic faith is credible, then Christianity as a whole must be credible.

 

[salida]

What are your intentions? Do you have a scheme in mind? You have a better chance of proving that the sun doesn't shine. I have noticed that you have been at this site and in a subtle way and so I wonder if your trying to get a humanist convert.

 

[Quaero]

In a very, very theoretical sense the finding of Jesus' body would disprove to me Christianity.

There was another thread on here "What if Jesus' body were found?" I posted this as a reply:

There would be a loss of face admittedly, but the resurrection theory would be removed. The idea that Jesus died for our sins, to take away the sins of the world, lamb of God idea would be emphasised.

It would just mean a doctrinal shift away from the importance of the resurrection - Presumably only spiritual ascension, not a bodily ascension etc

Besides it would be downplayed, the discovery of such remains would be "Body found in Judea area, dating from around 30-40AD, signs of Crucifixion, possibly Jewish in decent". I mean they found an ossuary for Jesus, and that faded into obscurity.

So I doubt that would Disprove Christianity.

What would? Another God(s) descending from the sky shooting out lightning bolts that struck down all the Christians whilst the told everyone that Christianity was false? nah, there would still be a hardcore of zealots that believed.

in short, nothing would conclusively disprove Christianity, It is such a fluid religion and has already adapted a myriad of times to accommodate new views and attitudes.

 

[iamjcs]

Someone pointed out that (rampant) hypocrisy among Christians does not disprove Christianity as a whole. This is a valid point but it begs the question, what WOULD disprove Christianity (if only hypothetically) ?

Finding & proving found remains of Jesus' body.

For as the song says,
our hope is built on nothing less than Jesus & His righteousness.

As the Bible says, Jesus is the Corner Stone.

 

[packermann]

in short, nothing would conclusively disprove Christianity, It is such a fluid religion and has already adapted a myriad of times to accommodate new views and attitudes.

I just wrote that Catholicism can be falsified, which you completely ignored. If Catholicism can be disproven, then that means that there is at least one segment of Christianity that is not this fluid religion you mention.


Also, what you wrote of Christianity can also be said of atheism.


What would you need to prove atheism is wrong? For instance, what kind of evidence would you need to convince you that Christ DID rise from the dead?

Atheism is such a fluid philosophy and has already adapted a myriad of times to accommodate new views and attitudes (now, where did I read that before?). no matter what evidence that is presented to atheists that Christ rose from the dead, they seem to be unimpressed.

So I ask you. What kind of evidence do you need to convince you that Christ rose from the dead?