What will happen if, science runs across definitive proof of God?

[Inkfingers]

Yea, I thought he loved all his creation?

He does. But you know what...rabbits still get eaten by foxes.

 

[bhsmte]

He does. But you know what...rabbits still get eaten by foxes.

I know, this love works in mysterious ways right?

 

[Achilles6129]

First of all, it would be impossible to externally prove that God had manifested himself because another explanation could always be possible. See a thread I started on this subject here:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7857147/

If we know what it wants, then many will say we should do what God wants, but some (a small minority) will still be skeptical of the God, and say that we don't know if the God is moral, and a good authority.

Just after I lost faith, I would've been happy to have become religious again. Now I think I'd be much more likely to question the authority of God. Something being 'God' doesn't necessarily means it should be unquestionably followed... it may not be trustworthy.

If you're talking about the Supreme Being here (and not a lesser god), then it would be the most intelligent Being that there is and thus understand the true nature of good/evil. So yes, it would make sense to follow God's understanding of good/evil instead of your own.

 

[agua]

It will be ignored by those whom God has closed the eyes and hardened the hearts of...

Interesting God you have there...

Why would this god do that?

Which would mean that they are not at epistemic fault; they've been deceived by God.

I'd like to suggest that this particular doctrine ( heart hardening ) is poorly understood in general and this version may not be the correct one.

 

[bhsmte]

I'd like to suggest that this particular doctrine ( heart hardening ) is poorly understood in general and this version may not be the correct one.

What is your interpretation of the same?

Do you believe the God you believe in hardens the hearts of some?

If so, why would a God who loves all his creation do so?

 

[quatona]

I'd like to suggest that this particular doctrine ( heart hardening ) is poorly understood in general and this version may not be the correct one.

Yes, sure. It´s a Calvinistic doctrine.
But we have to take them as they come, haven´t we?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'd like to suggest that this particular doctrine ( heart hardening ) is poorly understood in general and this version may not be the correct one.

Sure enough. And it could also be that Protestants, on the whole, have leaned too far toward Calvin in defining the concept of 'hardening.'

 

[AionPhanes]

What will happen if, science runs across definitive proof of God?

Then I would immediately dedicate myself to the God beyond that god. A god proven by science couldn't be the Absolute mystery. The Pythagorean Monad or the Platonic One (beyond number) can only be "known" via unknowing in a super-rational manner. That being so the god found by reason would merely be one of His lesser demiurges so to speak.

 

[Paradoxum]

If you're talking about the Supreme Being here (and not a lesser god), then it would be the most intelligent Being that there is and thus understand the true nature of good/evil. So yes, it would make sense to follow God's understanding of good/evil instead of your own.

What if it doesn't care about good and evil?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What if it doesn't care about good and evil?

What if it does?

 

[Paradoxum]

What if it does?

We can't know that it is. I'm not saying we can't listen to it... just that being brainless sheep (morally) might not be a good thing.

 

[AionPhanes]

Paradoxum: We can't know that it is. I'm not saying we can't listen to it... just that being brainless sheep (morally) might not be a good thing

I bet it's only a good thing on Sunday.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I bet it's only a good thing on Sunday.

Do you really think we're so stupid as to not see that as an insult? We may be sheep, but we're not brainless. Don't mock our way of thinking.

And if this hypothetical God-being didn't care about morals, He'd say it. Assuming that it's a He at all. If He did, He would say it. If He didn't, then chances are we're not dealing with "God" but some sort of malevolent alien entity. Who's to say non-Christians would think it was God because it would set itself apart from the Christian idea of God, and we Christians would disagree? Who would be right then? Could the being disguise itself as being like God, but in actuality being a just some sort of fallible extraterrestrial entity? And why would we Christians dare to consider it God if it was fallible?

 

[agua]

What is your interpretation of the same?

Do you believe the God you believe in hardens the hearts of some?

If so, why would a God who loves all his creation do so?

Basically I suggest the hardening provokes a person to act on their heart condition/mindset etc. It seems from scripture that certain timelines have been kept for prophetic and judicial reasons. ( everything must culminate in a set time ).

I don't see this as unloving. There's a similar action upon unbelieving Jews today and also in the last days Yahweh will hasten the result of peoples rebellion.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I haven't considered this particular question before but it's similar to several questions of this type I've seen before. Firstly you know you've framed the question in a way that excludes any answer than the one you desire. I think this is called "Loaded question " maybe ?

If I'm ( considering that I am a true believer as per Abraham, David. Paul etc. ) able to be convinced that Yahweh isn't the One True God then He isn't and I would accept that for sure. Why would I believe in something/someone that I don't believe in ? I would not remain Christian, of course.

Now can you answer my question ( simply please as I've done for you ) Many people in the last days will be convinced that the Beast ( or Satan if you like ) is God because of supernatural displays. If you see these supernatural displays will you be convinced this Being is God ?

Mar 13:21-22 KJV And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: (22) For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

It's not a loaded question, it's just a hypothetical scenario where the parameters are so narrowly defined the respondents must answer with a yes or no. A loaded question is one where a claim is implicit in the question and by answering the respondent affirms it.

Im not sure why you think I desire a particular answer...I don't. The point of the question is to examine if the christian can change their beliefs when confronted with sufficient evidence. That's really all there is to it.

Now, ironically, the question you asked me is a loaded question. It makes several claims which I would be affirming by answering. So, I'll reword it slightly in order to make it a little better. How about this?

"Hypothetically, if the biblical end times were to occur, and a figure claiming to be god were to appear and perform "supernatural acts"...would you believe his claims of god-hood?"

The best answer I can give is that I simply don't know. I suppose it would really all depend upon what these "supernatural acts" are. Realistically, I think that some could convince me...but others would not. Hope that answers your question.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

We can't know that it is. I'm not saying we can't listen to it... just that being brainless sheep (morally) might not be a good thing.

...Sweet. Well, no one said that we have to be "brainless sheep," Para. Of course, for us to make equitable, philosophical evaluations about the potential morality of a Supreme Being, we would have to establish that we know what good and evil are conclusively. We can't just be a 'little right' about it....

[And with that, we can do the mutual hat-tipping to each other, knowing that if we attempt to progress further into this discussion...it'll likely get closed.]

 

[bhsmte]

Basically I suggest the hardening provokes a person to act on their heart condition/mindset etc. It seems from scripture that certain timelines have been kept for prophetic and judicial reasons. ( everything must culminate in a set time ).

I don't see this as unloving. There's a similar action upon unbelieving Jews today and also in the last days Yahweh will hasten the result of peoples rebellion.

What was the process you used to come to these conclusions?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What if it does?

Then he has a lot to answer for.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Then he has a lot to answer for.

...and so do we. (Unless human morality can somehow allow and justify a whole host of moral incontinence on the part of just about everyone.)

 

[JGG]

I'm not sure if it's been asked, but what if there was undeniable proof not only of God, but of a god that is wildly diffefent from the one you believe in? How would you react?