What will happen if, science runs across definitive proof of God?

[Neogaia777]

What will happen if science someday runs across definitive proof of a God?, or a force that they find has a mind and a will, and is exerting that will in our world in measurable quantum ways? or something like that...

How would our world change if something like this happened?

God Bless!

 

[Tinker Grey]

I suppose that if I were convinced that this "proof" were strongly evidenced, then I would believe a god exists.

I suppose further that it would mean next to nothing for my quotidian life. The idea that there is some "thing" out "there" exerting its will means nothing until it can be demonstrated that there is a way to interact with it and that interacting with it is in someway useful.

 

[Ken-1122]

What will happen if science someday runs across definitive proof of a God?, or a force that they find has a mind and a will, and is exerting that will in our world in measurable quantum ways? or something like that...

How would our world change if something like this happened?

God Bless!

I think it depends upon who this God is, and what (if anything) he expects from mankind. I do however believe there would be more Theists disappointed and refusing to acknowledge his existence than Atheists.

Ken

 

[Tinker Grey]

Heisenberg might have something to say about "measurable quantum", though.

 

[Neogaia777]

I suppose that if I were convinced that this "proof" were strongly evidenced, then I would believe a god exists.

I suppose further that it would mean next to nothing for my quotidian life. The idea that there is some "thing" out "there" exerting its will means nothing until it can be demonstrated that there is a way to interact with it and that interacting with it is in someway useful.

But our actions and words and moods (thoughts and feelings) affect the quantum world, if God were shown to be the master manipulator of this quantum world and worked in a similar way, then if we learned more about interacting (communication) with it may be possible and may happen through these channels

 

[Neogaia777]

Heisenberg might have something to say about "measurable quantum", though.

We can measure some effects that we have on the quantum world though, and we have proof of an energy that connects all things that also operates in the quantum world...

God Bless!

 

[Tinker Grey]

But our actions and words and moods (thoughts and feelings) affect the quantum world, if God were shown to be the master manipulator of this quantum world and worked in a similar way, then if we learned more about interacting (communication) with it may be possible and may happen through these channels

I'm not sure that our words/actions/moods affect the quantum world (a strange construct) in anything other than a gross way. I can move a glass of water with my mind: First, I decide to move the glass, then 2) I take my hand and move the glass. I have moved the glass with my mind and every quantum thing associated with that glass has been affected. Big Deal.

What we would need to demonstrate to make your first statement interesting is the ability to affect something at a sub-atomic level in some measurable way with just our thoughts with no mediators such as a hand. Also, no cheating by saying that the electrical reaction in our brain affect the sub-atomic simply because thinking is electrical.

Now supposing the hypothetical: If in fact science were able to detect such effects and somehow infer correctly (I wouldn't know how) that there was a "being" behind it, then just the fact that they could do that would perhaps admit of the idea that we could interact. Interestingly, detecting actions at this level would suggest the possibility that we could intentionally act at a quantum level. Seems to me, we just made ourselves gods -- at least, of the sort in the hypothetical.

 

[bhsmte]

What will happen if science someday runs across definitive proof of a God?, or a force that they find has a mind and a will, and is exerting that will in our world in measurable quantum ways? or something like that...

How would our world change if something like this happened?

God Bless!

More people would believe in God.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm not sure that our words/actions/moods affect the quantum world (a strange construct) in anything other than a gross way. I can move a glass of water with my mind: First, I decide to move the glass, then 2) I take my hand and move the glass. I have moved the glass with my mind and every quantum thing associated with that glass has been affected. Big Deal.

What we would need to demonstrate to make your first statement interesting is the ability to affect something at a sub-atomic level in some measurable way with just our thoughts with no mediators such as a hand. Also, no cheating by saying that the electrical reaction in our brain affect the sub-atomic simply because thinking is electrical.

Now supposing the hypothetical: If in fact science were able to detect such effects and somehow infer correctly (I wouldn't know how) that there was a "being" behind it, then just the fact that they could do that would perhaps admit of the idea that we could interact. Interestingly, detecting actions at this level would suggest the possibility that we could intentionally act at a quantum level. Seems to me, we just made ourselves gods -- at least, of the sort in the hypothetical.

You might wanna check out this link about our becoming gods,

http://www.christianforums.com/t7859265/

Let me know what you think?

God Bless!

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What will happen if science someday runs across definitive proof of a God?, or a force that they find has a mind and a will, and is exerting that will in our world in measurable quantum ways? or something like that...

How would our world change if something like this happened?

God Bless!

...then there would be civil war.

 

[Neogaia777]

More people would believe in God.

Do you believe this could happen and then usher in end times (a war)?

 

[Neogaia777]

...then there would be civil war.

I believe it would cause serious tension and unrest and would lead to fights and yes, probably war between nations, or wars within nations

 

[2PhiloVoid]

More people would believe in God.

...perhaps, but there is a world of difference between believing in God and genuine willingness to worship that same God.

 

[Neogaia777]

...perhaps, but there is a world of difference between believing in God and genuine willingness to worship that same God.

And that is where the lines will start to be drawn in the great war, some will have proof of God, yet be unwilling to worship him and reject him and even start arraying words against him and hating him, trying to paint him (God) as the bad guy...

God Bless!

 

[bhsmte]

...perhaps, but there is a world of difference between believing in God and genuine willingness to worship that same God.

Sure there is and we that reality right now with those who claim to believe in a God and those that actually worship that God.

IMO and especially in the United States, many people claim to believe in God, because it is the socially acceptable thing to do.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Sure there is and we that reality right now with those who claim to believe in a God and those that actually worship that God.

IMO and especially in the United States, many people claim to believe in God, because it is the socially acceptable thing to do.

Sure...and I appreciate your pointing that out...as a warning to American Christians. Because worshiping Christ because it seems to be a socially acceptable thing to do isn't really worshiping Christ.

Good point, bhsmte. Thank you for that.

 

[bhsmte]

Sure...and I appreciate your pointing that out...as a warning to American Christians. Because worshiping Christ because it seems to be a socially acceptable thing to do isn't really worshiping Christ.

Good point, bhsmte. Thank you for that.

I would say, these types of people are caught up in the same "victim" phenomenon, you were discussing the other day, just in the opposite direction.

 

[lesliedellow]

How would our world change if something like this happened?

Then the fundamentalist atheists would be the deniers of science, and there would be no shortage of them.

 

[Neogaia777]

Sure...and I appreciate your pointing that out...as a warning to American Christians. Because worshiping Christ because it seems to be a socially acceptable thing to do isn't really worshiping Christ.

Good point, bhsmte. Thank you for that.

You can "believe" or say you believe in Christ, but not "worship" him...

It says "even the demons believe and tremble", but I think they refuse to worship is the difference, so likewise, it will be with people after there eye's are opened and it users in end-times.

 

[bhsmte]

Then the fundamentalist atheists would be the deniers of science, and there would be no shortage of them.

I would agree there would be some, but not nearly as many fundamentalist Christians we see today.