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What where is now?

Dan Perez

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This is actually the first post that makes sense. Maybe the Church and Israel get their wires crossed. We need to discern what is for them and what is for us. Which is actually the first rule of Bible interpretation.
In Matt 19:27-29 is the answer , as the 12 will be judging the 12 tribes of Israel in the 1000 reign of Christ !!

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I have been to a few funerals. There is a body. What happened to the person in the Body. Rapture means to leave the body and we are all raptured when we die and we go somewhere. People have beliefs in nothing or nowhere, but they can not find or define nothing. There is always something. PERHAPS the rapture has to do with a nuclear war where a lot of people disappear all at once and good luck for those left behind. It is the 2028 election people should be concerned with. The world will never be the same after that.
Luke 16:19-24 answers where believers and unbelievers go when their bodies die.

Luke 16:19-24 (NIV) “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
 
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Luke 16:19-24 answers where believers and unbelievers go when their bodies die.

Luke 16:19-24 (NIV) “There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. 20 At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores 21 and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
And the Luke 16: 19- 24 makes known that all who died , from Abraham ON , to the the end of the LAW of Moses all either went to ABRAHAM BOSOM or when to HELL .

But the SOUL goes to HELL , the spirit goes back to God that gave it , Eccl 12:7 .

And those that are saved by GRACE , our spirit does not GO back to God , WHY ??

And where does our SOUL go at our DEATH ??

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And the Luke 16: 19- 24 makes known that all who died , from Abraham ON , to the the end of the LAW of Moses all either went to ABRAHAM BOSOM or when to HELL .

But the SOUL goes to HELL , the spirit goes back to God that gave it , Eccl 12:7 .

And those that are saved by GRACE , our spirit does not GO back to God , WHY ??

And where does our SOUL go at our DEATH ??

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You’re adding to Luke 16. That was just an example of where dead believers first go: Paradise (Rev 23:42-43).

Where dead unbelievers first go is Hades.

No dead sinners get tossed into Hell’s lake of fire until Rev 19:20. Satan is tossed in Rev 20:10. After that, the GWTJ occurs (Rev 20:11-15), and all who died in sin are likewise tossed.

The dead in Christ are ultimately raised in 1 Th 4:16. Living believers join them in being raptured to Heaven in 1 Th 4:17.

1 Cor 15:52 only aligns with 1 Th 4:16-17. So, before we are raptured, we are in our glorified bodies. We then definitely go to Heaven; John 14:3 proves that Jesus will rapture us to Heaven.
 
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You’re adding to Luke 16. That was just an example of where dead believers first go: Paradise (Rev 23:42-43).

Where dead unbelievers first go is Hades.

No dead sinners get tossed into Hell’s lake of fire until Rev 19:20. Satan is tossed in Rev 20:10. After that, the GWTJ occurs (Rev 20:11-15), and all who died in sin are likewise tossed.

The dead in Christ are ultimately raised in 1 Th 4:16. Living believers join them in being raptured to Heaven in 1 Th 4:17.

1 Cor 15:52 only aligns with 1 Th 4:16-17. So, before we are raptured, we are in our glorified bodies. We then definitely go to Heaven; John 14:3 proves that Jesus will rapture us to Heaven.
And what have added to Luke 16:19-31 !!

Read verse 31 and who is it talking too ??

It is Israel which you did not MENTION !!

It is NOT speaking to the BODY OF CHRIST as Luke 16:31 as nthe context is ALL ISRAEL !!

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And what have added to Luke 16:19-31 !!

Read verse 31 and who is it talking too ??

It is Israel which you did not MENTION !!

It is NOT speaking to the BODY OF CHRIST as Luke 16:31 as nthe context is ALL ISRAEL !!

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Luke 16 gives no indication that Paradise was created only when Abraham could manage it.
 
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Luke 16 gives no indication that Paradise was created only when Abraham could manage it.
I have seen a verse that says that , and if you do , print it so can see it ?

Abd Paradise is mentioned 3 Time .

One in Gen 2:15 !!

One in Luke 16!!

And in 2 Cor 12 :1-4

# 1 THE Body goes to the Grace !!

#2 The Spirit goes back to God that gave IT !!

# 3 And the UNBLIEVERS SOUL goes to HEEL !!

# 4 So where does the BELIEVERS SOUL goes , the BODY OF CHRIST Go , after death ??

If you are saved will you go to HEAVEN ,, better have a verse , as I yet to see one !!

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In Matt 19:27-29 is the answer , as the 12 will be judging the 12 tribes of Israel in the 1000 reign of Christ !!

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Actually Dan, the 12 apostles of the Lamb will be ruling in the New Jerusalem. (Rev. 21: 14)

`Now the wall of the city had 12 foundations, and on them were the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb.`
 
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Paul in 1 Thess 5:23 says , and may your entire spirit , and soul and body be kept blamelessly at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ .

# 1 And we know that the BODY goes to the Grave

#2 And we know that the spirit goes back to God that gave it to you , Eccl 12;7 .

# 3 But where does SOUL go to at death ?

# 4 Paul is the ONLY that says where GRACE believers go when they DIE , 2 Cor 12:1-4 .

# 5 Just because you may saved by Grace , Eph 2:8 NO ONE GOES TO HEAVEN . Why ?

# 6 Because we are waiting for the COMING of Christ for all Grace believers to be resurrected , 2 Thess 2:1 Christ COMING // PAROUSIA .

# 7 John 3:13 reads , that NO MAN hath ascended UP to Heaven , but HE that Came down from Heaven , even the Son of Man which is in Heaven >

It is interesting , when a Grace believer dies , his SPIRIT does not go back to Christ that gave it , so read 1 Cor 5:1-5

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Hi Dan,

What about this verse - `But you have come to Mount Zion....to the general assembly and church of the firstborn...` (Heb. 12: 23)

And - `For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.` (1Thess. 4: 14)
 
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This is actually the first post that makes sense. Maybe the Church and Israel get their wires crossed. We need to discern what is for them and what is for us. Which is actually the first rule of Bible interpretation.
Here are just some important rules of DISPENSATIONISM !!

# 1 Rule # 1 is Rom 1:1 Paul a slave of Christ Jesus a called apostle HAVING BEEN , SEPARATED // APHORIZO , and APHORIZO means LIMITER , BOUNDRIAS and SEPARATED to only preach God's GOSPEL

# 2 Rule # 2 is found in 1 Cor 11:1 , that you all , become IMITATORS of ME , just as I also am of Christ !!

# 3 Rule 3 , is found in Eph 3:9 to make all as to what is the DISPENSARION of the MYSTERY The one having been kept secret from the AGES in God the One having created the all things by Jesus Christ .

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