What week?

[jeffweeder]

Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

What week out of the 70, did Jesus/Messiah do his work?

So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

Jesus was to arrive after the 7 and 62 weeks,
Which leaves only the 70th week left for him to do his mighty work.

We all know that Jesus completed the work that was given him.dont we?

JN 17

"I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

LK 24
"These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."
45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures,
46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.

So in what week did Jesus accomplish this?
It can only be the 70th week.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

What week out of the 70, did Jesus/Messiah do his work?



Jesus was to arrive after the 7 and 62 weeks,
Which leaves only the 70th week left for him to do his mighty work.

We all know that Jesus completed the work that was given him.dont we?






So in what week did Jesus accomplish this?
It can only be the 70th week.

I agree. That's plain and simple.

 

[Nilloc]

What week out of the 70, did Jesus/Messiah do his work?



Jesus was to arrive after the 7 and 62 weeks,
Which leaves only the 70th week left for him to do his mighty work.

We all know that Jesus completed the work that was given him.dont we?






So in what week did Jesus accomplish this?
It can only be the 70th week.

 

[holdon]

What week out of the 70, did Jesus/Messiah do his work?


Jesus was to arrive after the 7 and 62 weeks,
Which leaves only the 70th week left for him to do his mighty work.

We all know that Jesus completed the work that was given him.dont we?






So in what week did Jesus accomplish this?
It can only be the 70th week.

[/quote]Where do you see Jesus "working" 7 years??? And why does it say Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks (rather than 70 weeks) ????

 

[Natman]

What week out of the 70, did Jesus/Messiah do his work?

Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

to finish the transgression,
to make an end of sin,
to make atonement for iniquity,
to bring in everlasting righteousness,
to seal up vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most holy place.

Jesus finished all these things on the cross, which would have beed in the middle of the 70th week, or at the 3 1/2 week mark.

1) "restrain the transgression"

ISAIAH 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:15 And for this reason he is the mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)

2) "make an end to sins"

JOHN 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, he has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. (NKJV)

3) "make atonement for iniquity"

ISAIAH 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (NKJV)

ROMANS 3:25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished – (NIV)

HEBREWS 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (NIV)

4) "bring in age-lasting righteousness"

ISAIAH 53:11 He shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. (RSV)

ROMANS 5:17 For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ. (NIV)

5) "seal up vision"

The word translated "seal up" here is from the Hebrew root word chatam. This word literally means "to lock up" or "to shut up."

ISAIAH 29:10 For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads, namely, the seers. 11 The whole vision has become to you like the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed." 12 Then the book is delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says, "I am not literate." 13 Therefore the LORD said: "Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men, 14 Therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden." (NKJV)

6) "seal up prophecy"

ROMANS 11:7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day." 9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back always." (NKJV)

7) "anoint the most holy"

LUKE 4:18 "The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed;" (NKJV)
ACTS 10:38 "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him." (NKJV)

See http://users.aristotle.net/~bhuie/70weeks.htm

 

[jeffweeder]

Where do you see Jesus "working" 7 years???

Jesus as messiah, arrives after the 7 and 62 weeks, so his work must be done in the 70th week.
He made the covenant that was firm for one week because the decree was about Daniels people for 70 weeks, and he found himself in the last week, but was cut off.

The decree wasnt about the gentiles, but the amount of time it would take for Messiah to fulfill his work for Daniels people, but they cut him off.

And why does it say Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks (rather than 70 weeks) ????

It never says that, how can it, when the scripture says that he will arrive after the 69th week?
It specifically says that he is cut off in the midst of what has to be the last week, when he gave birth to the gospel.Its no coincedence that Jesus ministry was 31/2 years.==i/2 a week.
The disciples were told to stay and preach in Jerusalem as a witness, then the gentiles were grafted in.

We know the point of when we can officially say that Messiah was revealed, and this was his baptism, not his death.

 

[jeffweeder]

Thankyou Natman, great post.
This is salvation, and we have it.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hold on there, guys...

Dan 9:24 “Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people and your holy city to finishtransgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Dan 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decreeto restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”



To me, it is clear that the 70 week clock stops when the "Anointed One" comes and is cut off. You see, He both comes and is cut off after 69 weeks have passed. That final week did not involve Jesus at all and has not even begun yet.

We know the time He came was at his birth and He died about 33 years later. All of those 33 years happened after 69 of the 70 weeks had passed. The final week hasn't happened.

We are in the "times of the Gentiles" and when that is over, the 70 week clock will start ticking again for the completion of that final week.

Luk 21:24They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Rom 11:25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.

 

[gwynedd1]

This was recored apparently around 30 AD or midweek. This would tend to coincide with the end of the sacrificial system midweek when Jesus was on the cross.

Yoma 39b

4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white; nor did the westernmost light shine; and the doors of the Hekal would open by themselves, until R. Johanan b. Zakkai rebuked them, saying: Hekal, Hekal, why wilt thou be the alarmer thyself?5 I know about thee that thou wilt be destroyed, for Zechariah ben Ido has already prophesied concerning thee:6 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.

 

[gwynedd1]

Hold on there, guys...

Dan 9:24 “Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people and your holy city to finishtransgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.
Dan 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decreeto restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”



To me, it is clear that the 70 week clock stops when the "Anointed One" comes and is cut off. You see, He both comes and is cut off after 69 weeks have passed. That final week did not involve Jesus at all and has not even begun yet.

We know the time He came was at his birth and He died about 33 years later. All of those 33 years happened after 69 of the 70 weeks had passed. The final week hasn't happened.

We are in the "times of the Gentiles" and when that is over, the 70 week clock will start ticking again for the completion of that final week.

Hello HisdaughterJen,

The scripture says after the 69 weeks not at 69 weeks. This could certainly be interpreted to mean within the 70th week.


The times of the gentiles are only 42 months in this case. We have cross references to the event.

Luke 21

4they will fall by the edge of the sword and be taken away as captives among all nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Revelation 11

Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, ‘Come and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. 3And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for one thousand two hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth.’

There is no gap mentioned or could even be interpreted on its own let alone cross referenced with anything else.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Furthermore:

Dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people (ROMANS) of [the ruler who will come] will destroy the city and the sanctuary (70AD). The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.
Dan 9:27 He (the ruler who will come)will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”


compare to this:

Dan 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant [land].
Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, [even] to the host of heaven; and it cast down [some] of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified [himself] even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily [sacrifice] was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
Dan 8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
Dan 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


2300 days is 6.39 years (360 day calendar)


What were the requirements of the 70 weeks again for ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM?

1. finish transgression
2. make an end of sins
3. reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. seal up vision and prophecy
6. anoint the most holy

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

None of this happens until Christ returns. When did Israel and Jerusalem complete any of that? The two witnesses are prophesying during that final week so vision and prophecy certainly aren't sealed up at that time.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Hello HisdaughterJen,

The scripture says after the 69 weeks not at 69 weeks.

Dan 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

He both comes and is cut off after 69 weeks.

This could certainly be interpreted to mean within the 70th week.

Well, it could be but:
1. the 70 weeks are for Israel and Jerusalem to complete.
2. the events of the final week include a guy doing away with the daily sacrifice and desolating the sanctuary by transgression (compare to Daniel 8:9-14) but only for that final week or 2300 days.

The times of the gentiles are only 42 months in this case. We have cross references to the event.

Well, what is the purpose of the "times of the gentiles"?

"Times" is plural, like "time, times and half a time" in another passage....I dare say it means 2000 years, in hindsight, of course or two days on God's calendar.

Remember:
Rom 11:25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.


I'd say the "times of the Gentiles" are the 2000 years of Christianity!

 

[icedtea]

Thank you for explaining it so well.

 

[jeffweeder]

Jen
Hi, How many weeks pass until messiah?



If you say like the scriptures ,that it is after 7 and 62 weeks, then you would place Messiah in the 70th week, as he makes a cov in that last week with the many, and we have a gospel to preach about how Jesus saves us from our captivity with the world, through the fulfillment of Jesus work on the cross.
You have no basis or scripture to say that Jesus ministry was in the 69th week.
It would be 69 weeks until the revealing of him, thats why he made a cov with them for the last week, but they cut him off, but his work was complete, as it says in JN 17.

Gabriel was saying that it was 70 weeks till Jesus won redemption and he was right. He risen from the dead

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Revelation 11

Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, ‘Come and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. 3And I will grant my two witnesses authority to prophesy for one thousand two hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth.’

Notice that both Jerusalem is being trampled by the nations and the two witnesses are prophesying, therefore:
1. the 70 weeks are not yet complete when the two witnesses are around because vision and prophecy are still happening.
2. Jerusalem is not secure, still trampled.

So, the final week of years has yet to be fulfilled.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Jen
Hi, How many weeks pass until messiah?

Dan 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.
Dan 9:26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

He both comes and is cut off after 69 weeks.

If you say like the scriptures ,that it is after 7 and 62 weeks, then you would place Messiah in the 70th week, as he makes a cov in that last week with the many, and we have a gospel to preach about how Jesus saves us from our captivity with the world, through the fulfillment of Jesus work on the cross.

Jesus both comes and is cut off after the 69th week but before the 70th week. Jesus' work on the cross is for those who believe in Him. The purpose of the 70 weeks is for Israel and Jerusalem.

You have no basis or scripture to say that Jesus ministry was in the 69th week.
It would be 69 weeks until the revealing of him, thats why he made a cov with them for the last week, but they cut him off, but his work was complete, as it says in JN 17.

I don't believe that Jesus' ministry was in the 69th week, nor in the 70th week. It was between the two in the "times of the Gentiles" in which we remain even now.

Gabriel was saying that it was 70 weeks till Jesus won redemption and he was right. He risen from the dead.

You'll have to quote what you mean so I'm on the same page. Oh...wait...you're talking about the 70 weeks...

It is very clear that the 70 weeks are for Israel and Jerusalem in Daniel 9:24.

Yes, Jesus completed the work God gave Him to do in coming and dying for those who believe in Him. That doesn't mean that Israel and Jerusalem have completed the purpose of the 70 weeks. In fact, as I pointed out in my previous post, Rev 11 still shows vision and prophecy on the part of the two witnesses. Those are to be sealed up in that final week. This is proof that it, the final week, is yet to come.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Doesn't anybody find it odd that Israel and Jerusalem are given the 70 week tasks for completion and then after Christ comes and is cut off (after week #69), Israel and Jerusalem are destroyed and dispersed...UNTIL THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES ARE FULFILLED/FULL NUMBER OF GENTILES COMES IN.

It is and has been impossible for them to complete those tasks for almost 2000 years until they are gathered back in and Jerusalem is secure. When does that happen? WHEN CHRIST RETURNS!

There is indeed a gap between the 69th and 70th week...a great big "gentile times" gap!

 

[HisdaughterJen]

What I thought you were going to say was this:

Luk 4:17 The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
Luk 4:18
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to release the oppressed,
Luk 4:19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”

Luk 4:20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him,
Luk 4:21 and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”



Which is this:

Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me,
because the Lord has anointed me
to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim freedom for the captives
and release from darkness for the prisoners,
Isa 61:2 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor
and the day of vengeance of our God,
to comfort all who mourn,
Isa 61:3and provide for those who grieve in Zion—
to bestow on them a crown of beauty
instead of ashes,
the oil of gladness
instead of mourning,
and a garment of praise
instead of a spirit of despair.
They will be called oaks of righteousness,
a planting of the Lord
for the display of his splendor.




It's funny that Jesus stopped mid-scripture, sat down and said, "today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing".

Why? Because he would come back to fulfill the rest.

 

[jeffweeder]

I'm sorry Jen, but messiah is shown to be Messiah in only one place in scripture.
John the baptist was told that who you see the spirit descend AND REMAIN, he is the Messiah.
So "until the Messiah" is after 69 weeks, and Messiah had only 70 weeks to complete the decree given by Gabriel.
I challenge anyone to say that Jesus did not complete this at the cross---the place of victory ,--over Daniels people, and everyone else.
We know the time of messiahs arrival from scripture ,according to the 70 weeks prophecy, and we know this to be Jesus.
The decree goes on to say that messiah, through his ministry, would;


1. finish transgression
2. make an end of sins
3. reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. seal up vision and prophecy
6. anoint the most holy

The gospel of our salvation, in its totallity, which is preached since he accomplished the work and rose from the dead.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

I'm sorry Jen, but messiah is shown to be Messiah in only one place in scripture.
John the baptist was told that who you see the spirit descend AND REMAIN, he is the Messiah.
So "until the Messiah" is after 69 weeks, and Messiah had only 70 weeks to complete the decree given by Gabriel.
I challenge anyone to say that Jesus did not complete this at the cross---the place of victory ,--over Daniels people, and everyone else.
We know the time of messiahs arrival from scripture ,according to the 70 weeks prophecy, and we know this to be Jesus.
The decree goes on to say that messiah, through his ministry, would;


1. finish transgression
2. make an end of sins
3. reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. seal up vision and prophecy
6. anoint the most holy

The gospel of our salvation, in its totallity, which is preached since he accomplished the work and rose from the dead.

I can understand what you are saying...that Jesus' sacrifice finished transgression, made an end of sins, reconciled for iniquity, brought in everlasting righteousness, sealed up vision and prophecy and ...hmmm... what "most holy" did Jesus' sacrifice anoint...the Mercy Seat, maybe, with His blood?

Yes, I see that point. And yes, on the outside, HE did do all of that and Christians (gentiles) KNOW all of that and accept it. Right now, all of that is kept in heaven for us. We have all of that waiting for us.

But Israel rejected ALL of that. The 70 weeks are for Israel and Jerusalem according to Daniel 9:24. Israel is going to be given a chance to choose during that final week. IN fact, they will be forced to choose. A remnant of Israel will accept Him, Jerusalem will finally be secure, no more vision and prophecy, no more sin and iniquity, there will be everlasting righteousness and the Temple will be reconsecrated. All of this will be tangible on this earth! The events of the 70 weeks are tangible, earthly things. It will happen/be fulfilled at the return of Christ!

This is why Israel "experienced a hardening" for 2000 years...for the gentiles! To bring in the "other sheep" (Gentiles), not of this (Israel) fold.

Jhn 10:16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.