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What we want. High/Low - regardless?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Agallagher, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. Agallagher

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    So anyone who is a professing believer in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Regardless of their own desires and wants they so choose to have in this life, is it granted by God?

    The heart of the person, regardless of the person desires, and wants that of the world which it could be at a high point in life type of luxury, or even the homeless man on the street situation who just needs 5 dollars who is content with this life regardless of a job or not.

    Are they ultimately granted?

    What about in the afterlife?

    ~ Of course my belief causes Hell (Holding tank/She'ol), to be empty already, and that no one after life goes there anymore.

    In the afterlife, passing away, and going to God.

    Either a person decided to have relationship with God. One does not.

    Are these granted to the persons desires and wants by God?

    After living on the earth and passing away... do people go respectively by God to where they desired to be and are allowed to have that free space of whatever it may be for them...


    For me, my faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ, and am a believer of God. Sometimes though I wonder about the ending and their is nothing wrong with that.



    My thoughts are leaning towards yes. The hearts desires are granted... though I wonder what that means for some... afterwards. Cause my desire would be for all to at least come to the truth and knowledge of God, rather than destoryed.

    Before anyone post scripture, just use your heart and the spirit to read what is being said.


    ~Cheers. May you have a wonderful life, cause we only have one. Being right about everything however wont get us anywhere closer to God without the spirit.​
     
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  2. Ezana

    Ezana Ιησούς Χριστός Νικά

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    I'm a little confused as to what the core of your line of questioning is. Are you suggesting that all people will be saved regardless of their desires? Universalism?
     
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  3. Agallagher

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    Questionings to the shortness of life towards the afterlife.

    You.

    Your desires/wants.

    What does God got in store for us afterwards based on these things, after life?

    I do not believe in Universalism (Jesus Christ is the only way) however, do believe that everyone is resurrected after this life.

    These thoughts that invade my mind kind of have me teetering about exactly what to do and handle the rest of my life.
     
  4. Minister Monardo

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    Psalm 37:4. Delight yourself also in the Lord,
    And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

    God cannot grant desires of just any human heart, because:
    Jeremiah 17:
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    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
    10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to
    his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

    God must give man a new heart so that he can have God's desires.
    Ezekiel 11:
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    Then I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within them, and take the stony
    heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh,
    20 that they may walk in My statutes and keep My judgments and do them; and they shall be
    My people, and I will be their God. 21 But as for those whose hearts follow the desire for their
    detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their deeds on their own heads,
    says the Lord God.

    Ezekiel 18:
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    Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin.
    31 Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a
    new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel?
    32 For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. Therefore turn and live!

    Ezekiel 36:
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    Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
    26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of
    your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in
    My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
    28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and
    I will be your God.
     
  5. RickReads

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    Lots to unpack there but tomorrow I`ll have some verses for you, meantime read this. Something from another thread I really liked.

    What heaven's really like - by a leading brain surgeon who says he's been there: Read his testimony before you scoff...it might just shake your beliefs | Daily Mail Online
     
  6. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    Unbeliever are Resurrrected to what exactly ?
     
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    I think it depends on what the heart desires. I don’t think God would do or give any evil things.
     
  8. Agallagher

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    My only question, and statement. @Jesus is YHWH : If all souls are to return to God, even unbeliever souls return to God?

    Resurrected to what? Some type of spiritual body pleasing to God.

    That is a great thing to know. 1213.


    Rick, have opened the link the story was very long, and I went and read bits and pieces. Seems like a story of you know dying and then coming back, I have heard a lot of those stories are very interesting. Thank you for sharing.

    Thanks for the scripture, Mona.
     
  9. Jesus is YHWH

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    Let me know if you agree or disagree with my post. And if you disagree explain why. Thanks !

    The term “spiritual” is used in the Scripture to denote “supernatural” behavior—not a “spiritual” essence of being. Thus, the phrase “spiritual body” in the passage above speaks of a “physical supernatural” body—not a “spirit body.” Another example of the term “spiritual” referring to “supernatural” behavior is 1 Corinthians 2:15 where we read, “But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man.” The “spiritual” person in both of these passages is behaving in a “supernatural” way, not ontologically transforming “human” essence into “spirit” essence as the JW's falsely claim that Jesus is now a spirit without a body.

    A spiritual body denotes an immortal body. A spiritual body is one that is dominated by the spirit, not one that is devoid of matter. The Greek word pneumatikos means a body that is directed by the spirit as opposed to one under the dominion of the flesh. It is not ruled by the flesh that perishes but by the spirit that endures. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). A spiritual body does no mean immaterial or invisible but immortal and imperishable. Paul makes these parallels:

    Earthly- Heavenly (verse 40)
    Perishable- Imperishable (verse 42)
    Weak- Powerful (verse 43)
    Natural-Supernatural (verse 44)
    Mortal- Immortal (verse 53)

    The context shows that spiritual (pneumatikos) could be translated supernatural in contrast to natural from the parallels of perishable and imperishable, corruptible and incorruptible. Pneumatikos is translated supernatural in 1 Cor 10:4 regarding the supernatural rock that followed them in the wilderness. In the translation spiritual refers to physical objects. In 1 Corinthians 10:45 Paul spoke of the spiritual rock that followed Israel in the wilderness from which they got spiritual drink 1 Corinthians 10:4.But the OT story (Exodus 17,Numbers 20)reveals it was a physical rock from which they got literal water to drink. The actual water they drank from the material rock was produced supernaturally. Further Paul spoke about a spiritual man 1 Cor inthians 2:15 he obviously did not mean an invisible, immaterial man with no corporeal body. He was as a matter of fact speaking of a flesh and blood human being whose life is lived by the supernatural power of God, a literal person whose life is Spirit directed. A spiritual man is one who is taught by the Spirit and who receives the things that come from the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14). The resurrection body can be called a spiritual body in much the same way we speak of the bible being a spiritual book. Regardless of their spiritual source and power both the resurrection body and the bible are material objects. The same applies to the spiritual food they ate in the wilderness ( the manna). It was real food which was supernaturally provided by God from heaven(the manna from heaven as its called in scripture) just the same as the spiritual drink( the water) which came supernaturally from the rock.

    hope this helps !!!
     
  10. Agallagher

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    You are talking about 1 corinthians 15, you believe in a physical body after death, an resurrection. It is just such a minor thing to fight about that I did not read all your post. Thank you for posting though. Some people believe in psychial body some people believe spiritual body is given after life. None of that really matters exactly, other than we are going to be resurrected. That means all people.


    Most would prefer to have their own body. God is going to give a body as it pleases him, whatever that spiritual body looks like depends on the believer, and how they lived their own life in reverence towards God. So many different measurements of Faith, some that far from God, and some very close to God.
     
  11. Jesus is YHWH

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    Its not about fighting its about truth. The Gospel is defined by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-8. Then he spends the rest of the chapter focusing on the central aspect of the Gospel- the Bodily Resurrection and what the body is in the Resurrection.

    So my question is do you believe the word spiritual and how it is used and defined in my previous post. If you disagree why ?

    Thanks !

    hope this helps !!!
     
  12. Agallagher

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    It's about the truth, and being right and being dominate! Never about allowing others freedom! Dumb them down, make them only believe my way! My way and only my way! No way for the other ways of thinking! I say nay!

    If God's kingdom is spiritual... and named Heaven Jersualem.

    Why would any of the material here on earth, appear in this new place?

    Maybe you believe in Matt Slick, after 40 years of indoctrination and see him as a person who holds the truth.

    You mention the truth? What is the truth? (asked Pilate to Jesus Christ) Thank you for posting @Jesus is YHWH

    What is truth? Jesus Christ is the way the truth, the way, and life.

    Refrain just using the qoute FOR THE TRUTH! IT's FOR THE TRUTH!, There is only one truth, that is Jesus Christ.


    Maybe we get sent this whole new heaven and new earth after this life or something, and we go live with the animals and frolic around on clouds, and play harps and just do whatever it is there.

    Though a new sky, and a new earth - can become new ways of perspectives in seeing the earth as it is now, in a new light when someone comes to the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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  13. Jesus is YHWH

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    Geez I don't follow calvin, armimius, luther, slick, augustine etc......

    I follow Jesus and the Apostles teachings.

    I made my argument from Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 and it has nothing to do with any man except Paul.

    You still have not addressed the questions I asked regarding the gospel and the bodily resurrection of Jesus(the foundation of faith) which is the subject/topic of the entire chapter.
     
  14. Agallagher

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    Ok. To be truthful here. Many of my beliefs comes from being taught from others, they told me though go test things out for yourself, and don't believe them over what the bible has to say. I grab beliefs off of others and whatever I like I hold them into my own beliefs.

    Jesus Christ rose again. That is what the bible says. Though you still haven't addressed the spiritual kingdom? How does material manifest from spiritual aspects of a Heavenly Jerusalem where the Lord God Almighty resides, and you know... what else is there? Of course the bible gives descriptions but how are we to take those says are we to take them and address them in a hebrew language and actually understand like as a hebrew?

    Just because I do not believe that Jesus Christ comes back in a body but in a spiritual form, it's people like yourself who can become combative when it comes to disagreements, it's why in all honesty when it comes to entertaining you though @Jesus is YHWH, it's fun but at the same time can get convoluted very fast.

    You are a brother in Christ Jesus, so.. I mean we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ who God raised again from the dead.

    This is the internet and ah i just roll my eyes.
     
  15. Jesus is YHWH

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    Heaven is a real physical place just as the New Jerusalem is a real physical city that comes down from heaven.

    The reason I presented the word spiritual regarding man, body, food, drink, water and rock is that all those things are called spiritual yet they are still in relation to things which are physical and have their supernatural source from God who is Spirit, hence they are spiritual in nature, origin or source.

    the spiritual man
    the spiritual drink
    the spiritual rock
    the spiritual body
    spiritual water
    spiritual food

    All the above terms used by Paul to the Corinthians.

    hope this helps !!!
     
  16. Agallagher

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    Okay cool, thank you @Jesus is YHWH. Thank you for cleaning up the table for us my friend. Have a wonderful day.
     
  17. RickReads

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    My comments in ( )

    ( Pay attention to your elders and I am one.)

    So anyone who is a professing believer in God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Regardless of their own desires and wants they so choose to have in this life, is it granted by God?

    ( No. This life is a test. You will not get everything you want and you would not be fruitful if you did.)

    The heart of the person, regardless of the person desires, and wants that of the world which it could be at a high point in life type of luxury, or even the homeless man on the street situation who just needs 5 dollars who is content with this life regardless of a job or not.

    Are they ultimately granted?

    ( No. God is not a sugar daddy. All this God wants you to be rich theology is false doctrine.)

    What about in the afterlife?

    ( In heaven priorities change and desires of the flesh are completely irrelevant)

    ~ Of course my belief causes Hell (Holding tank/She'ol), to be empty already, and that no one after life goes there anymore.

    In the afterlife, passing away, and going to God.

    Either a person decided to have relationship with God. One does not.

    Are these granted to the persons desires and wants by God?

    ( Those who have chosen Christ will be satisfied.)

    After living on the earth and passing away... do people go respectively by God to where they desired to be and are allowed to have that free space of whatever it may be for them...

    ( The place of the righteous dead is a good place to go.)

    For me, my faith is in the Lord Jesus Christ, and am a believer of God. Sometimes though I wonder about the ending and their is nothing wrong with that.

    ( We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8. It will be ok.)

    ( Meditate on the scriptures below. The answers you need that pertain to this life are found if you can recieve it.)

    1 Timothy 6

    6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

    7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

    8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.


    Matthew 6

    25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

    26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

    27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?

    28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:

    29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

    30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

    31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

    32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

    33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
     
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  18. Agallagher

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    Thank you rick for your responses!
     
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