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What was shameful about Adam and Eve's nakedness?

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Jesus of Western culture < Jesus of the Bible
The Bible is the heart of Western culture.

You have nothing to offer that I am interested in Apex.
I am putting you on ignore
Goodbye
 
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What point does it serve to bicker over which accepted use of "natural law" can be used?
I've been wondering that myself- probably because you like to bicker?
So you like to bicker over me using the "unacceptable" definition of natural law because I like to bicker. Makes a lot of sense. Not. You just think yourself the legalistic language police and bicker over me being able to use natural law as I have.
No. I doubt the laws of nature changed.
You doubt, but refuse to answer how nature changed to have thorns after God's curse of it. You can't even entertain a thought of nature being changed, let alone formulate an argument against it.
But, unlike yourself with your personal interpretations of Scripture
God cursed the earth. Earth is part of nature. This was a change of nature. Any person that can read should understand this.
and insistence on the use of a term that was never even intended to be used as you do, I simply don't know if God changed the laws of nature.
Here you are again telling me which of two definitions of natural law is the proper one that can be used in this thread. No you don't like to bicker.
And it's irrelevant to my points anyway. Go bicker with someone else now; I'm tired of pointless and nonsensical debate.
You jumped in an exchanged between me and Apex to bicker with me about the proper use of natural law. Now you whine about it being pointless.
 
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I tend to believe that they were covered with Gods Spirit and life at one time and when they sinned they lost that covering and Spirit of God and died spiritually. This made them feel naked. Before they sinned they did not feel naked.

We also see this expression to a church that could be spewed out of Jesus mouth


Revelation 3:18
"I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."

also when they made fig leaves for coverings. I see this as man's religious attempt to hide their sin and it wont due. In time the leaves will fade and fall off and only God could cover them. He made them clothes of an animal skin which prefigured to be covered with Christ. In the new testament we read of our covering


Romans 13:14
"But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof."

Galatians 3:27

"or as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

Colossians 3:10
"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:"

Ephesians 4:24

"And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."
 
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What is exactly meant by "saw the nakedness of his father"
Lev 18-7
You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness.

Since this was a genesis event, a new line of man is beginning. To be the new Adam is the intention. To replace Noah as the Father. To say, the son saw his father's nakedness is a way of saying the mother and son were attempting to, or were copulating. The offspring of Ham became the Canaanites who worshipped a fertility god . Their temple worship was sex with temple prostitutes.
 
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To deny the complexity of this passage is reckless. It is okay to be be undecided if evidence is lacking. We should seek to allow the text to speak for itself. However, what this does show is that there exists potential interpretations of this event that do not contradict my understanding of Adam and Eve's nakedness noted in the OP.
 
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1. Adam and Eve were never ashamed to see themselves naked. Shame here comes from God discovering them naked.
This makes a good point.The self that was seen is the self we consider 'deep' within. Not for Adam and Eve, Their perception of one another wasn't just a view of the soul without obstruction, but perception of the truth of the 'other'. Pure intuition. Like the Apostles had in the Light of the Transfiguration. Two men they had never seen should have been just strangers. But they knew the truth of who they were with the gaze of pure intuition. I think if we were to experience the look it would cause fear. But that is what I think the nakedness without shame is. How can a person more naked than if the truth of their being is natural to see?

The truth of their being is something to hide. The body informed them of their fallen state. Involuntary movements of the body cause shame. They are embarrassing for us. Movements that used to submit to the will operate involuntarily. Adam and Eve's body of death operate in that truth. It now must survive and Adam and Eve are ashamed of it moving without their permission. The sensitive powers rule the body because it will die. The need to survive governs human life and the urge to reproduce dominates human nature after sin. The most obvious offending members that caused them shame were covered. Like Paul said, the law in my members isn't the law that I will.
Romans 7-22
For I delight in the law of God in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind, making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!

So then, with my mind I am a slave to the law of God, but with my flesh I am a slave to the law of sin.
Adam and Eve experienced the law of sin in their members not as a hidden thing deep inside but as a new state of life that they couldn't hide.

That jives with a deep meditative look at life before sin. Just considering a life with no desire to survive. Surviving is foreign to immortal life. No conscious awareness of what it is.

4. In this sense, nudity is being communicated as nonmoral. It is soley being used to communicate what they were lacking. As Job states eloquently, "Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return."
Absolutely!

No, you are touching on another much more profound kind of nudity altogether.
 
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I am suggesting that we shouldn't be so concerned with nakedness as to make exposure (accidental or not) an inherent immoral act. Context and intentions matter. We live under the New Covenant of Grace.
It's true that accidental exposure should be seen as just that. Unfortunately that doesn't change the reality of scandal. Adam and Eve covered themselves to avoid creating an environment that tempted the other's body to move involuntarily. To cause an urge that only comes from a body of death. The covering is good. An intense need for modesty is what they were feeling about their bodies. They experienced the change from an immortal body to a body that dies. No one else but them. Only our Sacred Scriptures record the event.
 
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