What seems to be happening in this case is that the money is doing the talking. McDonald's corporation and their type aren't happy.
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What seems to be happening in this case is that the money is doing the talking. McDonald's corporation and their type aren't happy.The tactics are not good and, in my opinion, they undercut the point. It's like everything this administration does, hamfisted and unthinking.
As for Obama / Trump, this may well be another case where the particulars turn views in different directions. How much was Obama's success at turning away people just over the border vs establish hard working people? Who knows. Anyway I dont speak for the accused hypocrites. Maybe a few are here and can chime in.
Isn't that his home as well? (It's not like anyone living in a "Trump" branded building doesn't know that it will attract his detractors. This isn't 2015 anymore.I think some things should be off limits. Especially residences. We had an ice protest on Friday that went to Trump Tower and that‘s a hard line for me. Screaming about the president in front of someone’s home shouldn’t be allowed just because he owns the building.
~bella
Isn't that his home as well? (It's not like anyone living in a "Trump" branded building doesn't know that it will attract his detractors. This isn't 2015 anymore.
If you look at the polling data among Black American voters.
The majority support maintaining the number of immigrants we have in the country via tighter border controls
Over 70% believe some should be deported
19% believe that all illegal immigrants should be deported
Strong support for "social integration" requirements (meaning, they want the people who come in to make some sort of effort to assimilate)
I don’t know what you’re reading or who you’re listening to. Blacks don’t support illegal immigration nor are they asking for them to stay and be integrated. They wholly support deportation whether they voted for Trump or not. And they don’t stand with the protests happening this weekend and have repeatedly said to leave them out of it.
It isn’t their fight and they won’t get involved. That is their position and you will hear this consistently on many platforms.
~bella
The polling numbers @ThatRobGuy reported are probably accurate and don't dispute what @bèlla said.ThatRobGuy said: If you look at the polling data among Black American voters.
The majority support maintaining the number of immigrants we have in the country via tighter border controls
Over 70% believe some should be deported
19% believe that all illegal immigrants should be deported
Strong support for "social integration" requirements (meaning, they want the people who come in to make some sort of effort to assimilate)
It's not just a matter of "not our fight." There is strong conflict involved as well.
I believe he moved his legal residence to a country club in Florida, but he still has his penthouse apartment in Trump Tower.He doesn’t live there and the building was constructed before he was elected. It was the subject of one of the seasons of The Apprentice. The condos are expensive and I wouldn’t want that at my door. It has nothing to do with him. It’s a matter of decency and privacy.
~bella
I believe he moved his legal residence to a country club in Florida, but he still has his penthouse apartment in Trump Tower.
Fifth Avenue is a quiet street?He doesn’t come here that often and the location is a bottleneck. I live a few minutes from the building and it’s on a quiet street. They’ve been subjected to a lot over the years that isn’t mentioned on mainstream media. How would you feel if someone was in front of your building with a machete or guillotine? You wouldn’t be focused on their politics. You’d be wondering what‘s wrong with them. That isn’t normal behavior. They went to the mayor’s home as well and hung an effigy from a tree while chanting and yelling obscenities and she wasn’t in a high rise. That’s too much.
~bella
Fifth Avenue is a quiet street?
Trump Tower is in Manhattan. I don't know where else he "lives" other than Mar-a-Lago.We have a Trump residence here as well. That‘s the one I was referring to.
What seems to be happening in this case is that the money is doing the talking. McDonald's corporation and their type aren't happy.
I'm glad we have someone who can tell us what they want.Blacks don’t support illegal immigration...
...nor are they asking for them to stay and be integrated.
They wholly support deportation...
...they don’t stand with the protests
...they have repeatedly said to leave them out of it.
It isn’t their fight
...they won’t get involved.
That is their position
I've seen a couple of posts saying that we should recognise that this is an example of the administration doing the right thing. Whereas it's an example of how much thought is going into these actions in the first place. Which is zero.Are you referring to the guidance that came down to ICE today not to target farms, businesses, and restaurants?
I've seen a couple of posts saying that we should recognise that this is an example of the administration doing the right thing. Whereas it's an example of how much thought is going into these actions in the first place. Which is zero.
How many times have we seen so many people say, right from the start, even before Trump was elected, that many of these people are an integral part of society. That they do essential work. It's taken months for the penny to drop?
Calling this a clown show is an insult to clowns.
I'm glad we have someone who can tell us what they want.
I recall that stuff. But it doesnt really help me understand what if any difference there is between the Obama and Trump efforts on this front which might get people especially upset about ICE actions now.I think Obama being president sort of "masked" certain disgruntlements in certain communities that would've come to the forefront much earlier had the democratic president during that tenure been another old white guy.
If you look at the polling data among Black American voters.
The majority support maintaining the number of immigrants we have in the country via tighter border controls
Over 70% believe some should be deported
19% believe that all illegal immigrants should be deported
Strong support for "social integration" requirements (meaning, they want the people who come in to make some sort of effort to assimilate)
And there was an interesting piece written by John McWhorter (and I'll see if I can dig it up again), but he elaborated on how democrats making a huge fuss over making sure illegal immigrants get certain accommodations/considerations starting around 2010-2012 was a slap in the face to a lot of impoverished black communities (and other minority communities who are actual citizens) who've been wanting those things from Democrats for decades and gotten nothing more that lip service, but it wasn't quite as "noticed", because people were happy with the milestone of having a president who was a person of color.
Some of the things he cited was the fact that it's long been a grievance in the Black and (legal) Latino communities that they're disproportionately more likely to serve time for non-violent offenses which leads to families getting separated. And apart from some rhetoric, not a lot was done.
Yet, when it was happening to undocumented people at the border, a bunch of Democrats raced down there to cry out in front of the detention facility for a photo-op.
Democratic governors signing bills to give education and healthcare to undocumented people
Democratic mayors offering to make their cities "sanctuaries" to help undocumented people avoid apprehension, and putting them up in $400/night hotel rooms to boot.
McWhorter asserted in the piece that things like that explain some of the "surprising" increases Trump saw among certain minority voters (but that it wasn't actually so "surprising" when you consider the backdrop and different variables at play between the Obama presidency and the Trump presidency)
I believe how McWhorter worded it in a televised interview was that "People were still drunk on the Hope & Change elixir when it was happening during Obama's tenure, and didn't get the hangover until Trump's tenure"
It's been going on for longer than that, especially since WWII with it's large inflow of blacks wanting work in war industries. I can't seem to avoid mentioning that your point about racial tension between blacks and Latinos is one made by CRT.The polling numbers @ThatRobGuy reported are probably accurate and don't dispute what @bèlla said.
There has been considerable contention between black people and Latinos for the last 40 years or so as a zero-sum game has been playing out in the lower working classes of both communities in urban areas.
This has been especially acerbic in Los Angeles County, from harsh words between politicians at the top down to violence in the streets. Latinos have essentially captured the lower working class employment environment in LA, shutting black people out of the jobs black people used to do. Latinos have been forcing--sometimes violently--black people out of LA neighborhoods such as Compton. (black not long ago, now Latino as a result of a violent neighborhood war) So, for people aware of the situation, there is zero surprise that black LA residents are not turning out to support LA Latinos.
It's not just a matter of "not our fight." There is strong conflict involved as well.
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