What should be taken literal?

[Beowulf]

I agree with a lot of what they say. I also disagree. I can argue for and against them, and make logical points for both. So, if you say I am this "sect" of a church, or this "sect", so be it, if you need classifications to clarify who is who among us, that is your choice.

I believe Jesus died on the cross for my sins and I am thankful for that sacrifice.

You're no mormon because you're in a christian forum.
Anyway, the mormon believes Jesus died on the cross for their sins and is thankful for that sacrifice.

 

[versastyle]

You're no mormon because you're in a christian forum.

Oh ok.

Anyway, the mormon believes Jesus died on the cross for their sins and is thankful for that sacrifice.

Sweet.

So what was all the mormon posting about then?

Which btw, I don't believe in "progressional revelation" when it comes to moral and intrinsic issues like tithing, love, and forgiveness. I do believe in progressional revelation when it comes to historical matters.

 

[Beowulf]

Oh ok.


Sweet.

So what was all the mormon posting about then?

Which btw, I don't believe in "progressional revelation" when it comes to moral and intrinsic issues like tithing, love, and forgiveness. I do believe in progressional revelation when it comes to historical matters.

So as scientific conclusion progresses in time concerning evolution then the relevations thereof must also dictate a manipulation of the bible to suit the evidence that the conclusion is based on?

You've also said you don't know if Abraham was real or not. Why not? God tells us he was real, in fact the Promise of Abraham is very much a part of christianity. God did not make that promise to a myth.

 

[versastyle]

So as scientific conclusion progresses concerning evolution then the relevations thereof must also dictate a manipulation of the bible to suit the evidence that the conclusion is based on?

No. They don't have to. I just don't see a problem with someone taking that position.

You've also said you don't know if Abraham was real or not. Why not? God tells us he was real, in fact the Promise of Abraham is very much a part of christianity. God did not make that promise to a myth.

No. The bible tells us Abraham was real, then we have faith that God has inspired that bible, and I don't know of the weighted accuracy regarding what is written about Abraham.

In essence, I know what the bible claims, but I have faith that it was God-inspired and that this promise to Abraham is fulfilled.

So still. I don't know. I have faith.

 

[Beowulf]

No. They don't have to. I just don't see a problem with someone taking that position.

You don't see a problem with manipulating the bible?

No. The bible tells us Abraham was real, then we have faith that God has inspired that bible, and I don't know of the weighted accuracy regarding what is written about Abraham.

In essence, I know what the bible claims, but I have faith that it was God-inspired and that this promise to Abraham is fulfilled.

So still. I don't know. I have faith.

Oh ok.

 

[versastyle]

You don't see a problem with manipulating the bible?

When it comes to historical issues, its not manipulation, its reinterpretation. Manipulation is when you have to add stuff to the bible so it makes sense historically, such as, stating cain married his sister.

 

[Beowulf]

When it comes to historical issues, its not manipulation, its reinterpretation.

8th article of faith of the Mormon Church

"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."

such as stating cain married his sister.

Why did Cain have to marry his sister?

 

[versastyle]

"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God."

Ok?

Why did Cain have to marry his sister?

He didn't. Thats just an example of things "added" to the story so that the literalist can make sense of it.

 

[Beowulf]

He didn't. Thats just an example of things "added" to the story so that the literalist can make sense of it.

I'm a literalist and I don't see why he had to marry his sister.

 

[versastyle]

I'm a literalist and I don't see why he had to marry his sister.

Well then you are an exception.

So do you believe that Cain married a woman not born of Adam and Eve?

 

[Beowulf]

Sure. Why not?
The woman he married could follow her bloodline to Adam and Eve though. Even Jesus can follow His bloodline to Abraham and also to Adam and Eve.

 

[versastyle]

Sure. Why not?
The woman he married could follow her bloodline to Adam and Eve though. Even Jesus can follow His bloodline to Abraham and also to Adam and Eve.

It could but that does not mean it did.

This is why I hold the "no belief" position when it comes to the historical accuracy of the creation story.

Cain could have married his sister.
Cain could have married someone kin to Adam and Eve.
Cain could have been married to a woman which was not kin to Adam and Eve and was born before or after Adam and Eve.
There are lots of possibilites. This does not mean I'm going to just believe one of them.

So I believe that the creation story of Adam and Eve could be a historical event, a fictional story describing similar events, or it could be an altogether made up story.

 

[Beowulf]

It could but that does not mean it did.

This is why I hold the "no belief" position when it comes to the historical accuracy of the creation story.

Cain could have been married to a woman which was not kin to Adam and Eve and was born before or after Adam and Eve.

If Adam wasn't the first man and that first man, whoever he was, came from an ape then do you think Christ evolved from an Ape through Mary? Did Mary evolve from an ape?

 

[versastyle]

If Adam wasn't the first man and that first man, whoever he was, came from an ape then do you think Christ evolved from an Ape through Mary? Did Mary evolve from an ape?

I don't think I've ever stated I hold a belief in evolution.

 

[Beowulf]

I don't think I've ever stated I hold a belief in evolution.

Oh, alright.

Question:
What do you think Theistic Evolution is?
<curious>

 

[versastyle]

Oh, alright.

Question:
What do you think Theistic Evolution is?
<curious>

Evolution with a "God did it".

 

[GodSaves]

Do you believe in all of evolution, such as man evolved from a prehistoric ape? Or do you just believe adaptations are made in nature?

 

[versastyle]

Do you believe in all of evolution, such as man evolved from a prehistoric ape? Or do you just believe adaptations are made in nature?

I really think I should clarify. I don't hold assertive and definitive positions of belief on human origins.

I believe there are possibilities, but I don't go as far as to claim one possibility as truth.

 

[TwinCrier]

OK, let's see about the new testament. Can I presume the four gospels are taken as actual events by TE's?

 

[versastyle]

OK, let's see about the new testament. Can I presume the four gospels are taken as actual events by TE's?

I'm not really a TE, but I can argue for their position to an extent and I would think they are considered more historical and accurate due to their personalized nature and they are also contemporary to Christ.