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Who are we really looking for in a potential spouse or significant other? And is it realistic and how open would you recognize someone who didn't meet that list? I wonder how many people are missing out on love because they can't consider someone who doesn't meet the ideal?

I wonder about those who won't ask a woman out or accept based on their own insecurities. Men, is it really better to be alone than to risk a "no" for coffee or a movie? Who cares what you consider your short comings? They may not matter as much as you think they do.

And women, why are you afraid to look a man in the eye and smile so that they can have the encouragement to ask you out?...again, who cares what you consider your shortcomings...let someone else be the judge if they really matter in the long run. Heck, how about asking a guy out to coffee or to join you for lunch sometime. That isn't a date per se and we are grown ups if we have made it to this forum.

I have a male friend in my life whom I spend a lot of time with and he is starting to make it obvious that he is interested in it becoming more than it is. Life situations are such that this can't really be addressed until I am through with school...there just isn't time to explore a relationship when I am so hyperfocused on just surviving this program. However, when I do have time to daydream, I do think about it some. He is not what anyone .... including me ... would have expected me to pair up with. I am not what anyone in his world would expect in his life. However, I think we could be very happy and content together because there is a sense of balance there. There is also plenty of physical attraction...that is based on more than physical appearance. He is not who I thought I'd have wanted but I am starting to wonder if he isn't maybe a very good potential match.

I keep praying that things will happen that will limit our time together if this is not a man I should be considering...all it would take is a single class to be scheduled in a way that would almost completely limit our time together (actually more likely than us having time together) and yet, the schedules keep getting placed in ways that cause more connection and more time together than I could imagine possible. Since this really can't be explored for a little bit longer, I have just decided that I will just wait and watch on this one with a lot of prayer thrown in there.

However, I have been exploring the idea of how much are we in control of who we actually choose to love. Could I make the choice to let go of some dreams and in their place make some new ones that would accommodate this very different person? Is that the same thing as "settling" or is it really learning to expand my definition of love? Life with him could be a completely different adventure than I've always imagined but if I chose him, I'd have to choose to not to try to change him into something he is not but rather love him for who he is.

What do you think? How open are you to exploring potential people that God does place in your life? Without joining a dating service or something, how open are you to asking someone or accepting an invitation from someone, especially someone who doesn't meet your "ideal" list? And how set in stone is that "ideal" list?

And how do you know when God is speaking to you about a person?
 

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When I met my husband, I DID think he was attractive. But he was just out of a marriage, had little kids, and I did not want to be a home wrecker (of course those thoughts came later after I decided I liked him). We were just friends for the first couple of months. Then one night he said those three words to me: "I love you". I did not say it back. I was terrified. Usually for me, I've been the one that had the stronger feelings but this was alot to consider. I did some SERIOUS praying about it and told God, if this is the guy I'm supposed to be with, give me the feelings to go with it....long story short...He did!

So while I have an idea in mind of what "kind" of man I would like. Nothing is set in stone for me. As far as asking a guy out, nah, I can't go that far, plus there hasn't been anyone I'd consider so far. AND I haven't been asked either. Well one guy at church, who I thought just wanted to be friends and get to know me better as a friend, who is also around 70-80 years old did ask me to breakfast, but we could never coordinate it. He also asked me to a couple of baseball games (that's when I figured he must want more than just friendship) and I always had to work (or I would have gone).
So I think in my case, it must not be God's timing yet, or maybe He wants me to be single forever. I don't know and I'm not completely comfortable being alone forever, but He is the one in charge so....

One thing I know and it's kind of a mystery.....is that when a guy meets someone that they "know" they want to be with, they just "know". My best friend is getting married next month. It will be her 4th wedding but she had said she was never getting married again so.....meeting her fiance changed her mind and I haven't met him yet, but apparently he feels the same about her.
 
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I'm not someone any girl is just going to "know" she wants me. oh, some do, but then they run. I'm more like a drug addiction. At first, mother warned. But mother's voice goes quiet. It all looks so harmless. I may be just a little tempting. Just a taste to try. And a little more taste. And more. . .

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I'm not someone any girl is just going to "know" she wants me. oh, some do, but then they run. I'm more like a drug addiction. At first, mother warned. But mother's voice goes quiet. It all looks so harmless. I may be just a little tempting. Just a taste to try. And a little more taste. And more. . .

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Why do you believe this? (and I write knowing I am going to be away from my computer for about 12 hours at clinicals so I can't read this for a while).
 
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Tall, dark hair, handsome, deep voice, reassuring to have around, confident and well-mannered, well groomed of course, takes a teenage Sunday School class, went to Bible College, has a good career in sales; he could sell anything to anyone.

My girlfriends are well impressed but he's mine.
 
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Well, the ladies I've been dating are not ladies I was particularly attracted to. But they all had things I rally like about them and I knew I had some things I could offer them.
I guess over the years it was clear to me that God wanted me to reach out to others and just being a friend was one of the things God wanted me to do. Those dates or workshops lead to spending more time with them and God letting me know that even of the relationship wasn't for the long term there were things that I was to help them with. Now its not one way, because I have received so much myself from these relationships.
 
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How to not make this into a wish list? I guess similar lifestyles are important. I am rather active - I'm not a couch potato but I'm not an athelete, either. Saturday I got up at 8, drove to a park with trails. Hiked the trails for 4 hours. Drove to a favorite bookstore 30 miles away, got some books, did some errands, got home, worked on my Greek homework, then read and listened to my Internet radio. I usually have something to do so I'm not bored. Similar religious views or at least tolerance is I think important. My type of Christianity or a similar denomination is not common in this part of the country. No serious addictions, please. I've paid my dues growing up having to navigate around people like that and the problems they cause. But I'm getting off topic and this is turning into a list.
 
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I guess what I am asking is really:

How do you recognize when the "wrong person" may actually be right one for you? When God has "other plans" and they come in a package that you never expected?

My life has been a serious of "wrong" situations that have turned out to be exactly where I needed to be. I wonder if God just intervenes and makes good out of my "bad" choices or if I am listening correctly even though it goes against what everyone else seems to believe is best for me. I tend to use "internal peace" and "can I find anything in the Bible that actually says this is wrong?"....as my guide but it sometimes takes me against a lot of traditional church teachings much to the chagrin of my mother.
 
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black, I'm with you on that inner peace and does the Bible actually for bid it. I read the Bible that way because I have a libertarian streak. But it seems that Jesus did that same thing a number of times when the traditions of men were making up rules that they expected others to obey. So I tend to say I don't have to obey those man made rules because then I'd be adding to the Word of God.
 
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Who are we really looking for in a potential spouse or significant other? And is it realistic and how open would you recognize someone who didn't meet that list? I wonder how many people are missing out on love because they can't consider someone who doesn't meet the ideal?

I wonder about those who won't ask a woman out or accept based on their own insecurities. Men, is it really better to be alone than to risk a "no" for coffee or a movie? Who cares what you consider your short comings? They may not matter as much as you think they do.

And women, why are you afraid to look a man in the eye and smile so that they can have the encouragement to ask you out?...again, who cares what you consider your shortcomings...let someone else be the judge if they really matter in the long run. Heck, how about asking a guy out to coffee or to join you for lunch sometime. That isn't a date per se and we are grown ups if we have made it to this forum.

I have a male friend in my life whom I spend a lot of time with and he is starting to make it obvious that he is interested in it becoming more than it is. Life situations are such that this can't really be addressed until I am through with school...there just isn't time to explore a relationship when I am so hyperfocused on just surviving this program. However, when I do have time to daydream, I do think about it some. He is not what anyone .... including me ... would have expected me to pair up with. I am not what anyone in his world would expect in his life. However, I think we could be very happy and content together because there is a sense of balance there. There is also plenty of physical attraction...that is based on more than physical appearance. He is not who I thought I'd have wanted but I am starting to wonder if he isn't maybe a very good potential match.

I keep praying that things will happen that will limit our time together if this is not a man I should be considering...all it would take is a single class to be scheduled in a way that would almost completely limit our time together (actually more likely than us having time together) and yet, the schedules keep getting placed in ways that cause more connection and more time together than I could imagine possible. Since this really can't be explored for a little bit longer, I have just decided that I will just wait and watch on this one with a lot of prayer thrown in there.

However, I have been exploring the idea of how much are we in control of who we actually choose to love. Could I make the choice to let go of some dreams and in their place make some new ones that would accommodate this very different person? Is that the same thing as "settling" or is it really learning to expand my definition of love? Life with him could be a completely different adventure than I've always imagined but if I chose him, I'd have to choose to not to try to change him into something he is not but rather love him for who he is.

What do you think? How open are you to exploring potential people that God does place in your life? Without joining a dating service or something, how open are you to asking someone or accepting an invitation from someone, especially someone who doesn't meet your "ideal" list? And how set in stone is that "ideal" list?

And how do you know when God is speaking to you about a person?

GOOD questions you ask. First, let me suggest this MUST read Book which will give you the insight you require :

Finding the Love of Your Life: Neil Clark Warren: 9781561790883: Amazon.com: Books . It was a best seller and you can now get a used copy for $.01 plus shipping . Ive read this book about 3 times thru and let it be your 'bible' for considering who to date/marry.

Further, yes it is US that choose who we have as Friends that develop into something more ; it is vital that we establish a firm list of Criteria that we are not willing to compromise on. Like my Dad told my sister : ' Its just as easy to fall in love with a LowLife as it is with a Man whos got integrity and character' .

A good companion book to the one I highly recommend is this one : How to Determine if Someone is Worth Pursuing in 2 Dates or Less by the same Author. This little book helps you in formulating a List of 'CANNOT HAVES' and 'MUST HAVES' when it comes to Dating Partner selection. The idea is to not get into a deep relationship with someone who isn't good for you/whom you are incompatible with on vital issues/who has toxic baggage from the past/ etc....

I feel the biggest problem with todays Young People is that they do not place enough emphasis on being objective when considering who to Date/Marry and instead rely too much on fuzzy euphoric feelings and/or have a desperation to have a Significant Other by their side because its not feeling real good being without one currently.

What do u think ?
 
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I wouldn't fall in love with a lowlife...or a "fixer-up man". My criteria has always been, do I love him and can I live with him "as is" for the rest of my life and not expect him to change...and do I trust his judgement enough to submit to him ESPECIALLY when I don't agree. So, only a man with integrity would work. However, each and every one of us has flaws...some we are working on and some we aren't willing to change.

There is not a marriage counselor in the world that would have sanctioned my marriage to my husband..and yes, we did have some hard years in there but we were both committed enough to each other to overcome them. After about year 10, things were actually very happy and as much as I love my kids, I was really looking forward to when it was just me and him again. That was not to be since cancer won before then.

I haven't really seen a dating book that really addresses the older crowd. Before I invest in this one, what would I really learn? I did alright the first time...so the chapters on divorce don't apply...nor do the chapters about someone who has never been married. Does the book specifically address finding someone when having a family is no longer an issue or other issues of older age. My criteria now isn't the same because we don't have to agree on details such as how to raise the kids to be Godly people...we just have to find a way to "get along" even when we don't agree. I mean I can celebrate holy days that I don't necessarily value if he can celebrate mine respectfully.
 
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black, I got the book. It is mostly for the never married's IMHO. And from what I know of you on this forum, you probably already know most of the stuff from the book. I got it (on David's recommendation) for my oldest son and I read it first. It's a good book, but I feel it's for just starting out. JMHO.
 
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Having a list is just something I don't take seriously. If she is looking at me the way one would a car or washing machine--and sits there with a copy of consumer report--I'm not for her.

Like Prince, there's no particular sign I'm incompatible with. Beauty, experience, and money are of no interest to turn me on. If she's looking at me, I'm not a lover, I'm not a friend; I'm something beyond she will not comprehend.

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Thanks Michelle...nobody seems to know what to do with us widows/widowers. I even contacted Focus on the Family to see if they could recommend any material that would address how a Christian "young widow" (meaning ones with children still at home) but beyond the first years of intense grief should face the unique issues we face in life including dating & remarriage and they were stumped. It is amazing that NOTHING seems to exist and yet I am constantly meeting young widows and widowers in daily life. We seem to be an invisible part of Christian society. Considering all the verses that specifically tell the church to take care of the widows, I am hoping that God gives us the benefit of the doubt when we totally screw things up. It is like taking a major trip without a road map (or GPS).
 
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blackribbon, I agree. The widows/widowers, and older singles due to divorce or death are the forgotten breed IMO. I'm not dead yet, but unless I just want to serve coffee or help in children's ministry, it seems that there is no place for me or others like me. Some churches have a grief ministry, but I don't feel like I fit there either. I am 8 years a widow. I have grieved. Maybe not enough, but I have. I think if the church thought about us more, they would be surprised at how many of us there are.
 
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At this point, I wonder if I'd move to Outer Mongolia with him just because I'm tired of my banal life. On one hand I feel like I no longer have standards. On the other hand, I feel like I have standards and they have been made a bit too high.

It's an interesting question, and I sure wish some force in life would separate people more quickly sometimes.
 
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