What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

TheIndividual · Dec 4, 2007

I believe that ALL people should have equal rights, regardless of gender, race, religion (or lack thereof), creed, AND sexual orientation. Same-sex couples should have the right to marry legally at city halls and other civil offices and receive the same benefits that heterosexual couples get. In accordance with freedom of religion, churches and other religious institutions should be able to make their own decisions regarding performing and blessing same-sex marriages/unions. That way, if they are not comfortable with performing or blessing such marriages or unions, they do not have to.

Just my $0.02.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

9. All the rights that straight people enjoy, except the right to marry their partners.

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Yep, maintain the rights they already have, which are the same as everyone else.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

OllieFranz said:
Whatever other arguments you may or may not have for your claims against homosexuality, this argument does not hold water. Otherwise you are saying that Paul was in error when he said it was better not to marry. Or that God made a mistake when a woman is barren or her husband is sterile. If an exception can be made in your blanket statement for these examples, then there is no logical reason why the same exception can't be made for homosexuality.

People are admonished to remain single to serve God more fully--that is Paul's view and he says so. It is a good view.

Sterile or infertile people are so as a result of living in a fallen world. Nothing to do with God whatsoever.

Homosexuality circumvents God's perfect design, so you have no argument for it. It os so obviously a satanic deception.

God's word plainly condemns it, and only a perverse mind accepts it.

Ohioprof · Dec 5, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
People are admonished to remain single to serve God more fully--that is Paul's view and he says so. It is a good view.

Sterile or infertile people are so as a result of living in a fallen world. Nothing to do with God whatsoever.

Homosexuality circumvents God's perfect design, so you have no argument for it. It os so obviously a satanic deception.

God's word plainly condemns it, and only a perverse mind accepts it.

To me as a gay person, "homosexuality" is certainly NOT a "satanic deception." It's the expression of love between committed same-sex couples. It's right for us. It's an expression of the love of God.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Ohioprof said:
To me as a gay person, "homosexuality" is certainly NOT a "satanic deception." It's the expression of love between committed same-sex couples. It's right for us. It's an expression of the love of God.

There is nothing right about it and God hates it. He is nowhere near it. He tells us to flee immorality.

You need to come up with some authoritative reason for your beliefs. You obviously have no trust in the Word of God...so where is your authority?

Ohioprof · Dec 5, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Yep, maintain the rights they already have, which are the same as everyone else.

But you have put in an exception in your poll choice. You have said "except the right to marry their partners." That's not the same as everyone else.

Ohioprof · Dec 5, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
There is nothing right about it and God hates it. He is nowhere near it. He tells us to flee immorality.

You need to come up with some authoritative reason for your beliefs. You obviously have no trust in the Word of God...so where is your authority?

My belief is that God created us and loves us all. That includes gay people.

BigBadWlf · Dec 5, 2007

Ten optionsbut only one that says equal

BigBadWlf · Dec 5, 2007

A question for those who voted for something other than equality

Can you please explain how you can justify blatant discrimination?

SpiritDriven · Dec 5, 2007

Have you noticed how this thread...focuses on what the Flesh does ?

So how do you people feel about partaking in walking after what the flesh does in this thread?

(Incidently Jesus said the flesh profits nothing)

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

BigBadWlf said:
A question for those who voted for something other than equality

Can you please explain how you can justify blatant discrimination?

Christians have a mandate in Christ to uphold righteousness, and to speak out when they see evil. That is viewed as discrimination by those who are not of Christ and by those who are participating in the evil...but it's not a bad thing. It is good.

It is an obligation we have in Christ to be wise, observant, discerning, watchful and vigilant and cautious about sin that affects us and the Church, and how we see it dragging people away to their doom.

Jet_A_Jockey · Dec 5, 2007

homosexuals deserve to have the same rights as asexuals and heterosexuals and bisexuals, its only fair.

Jet_A_Jockey · Dec 5, 2007

p.s. i didnt vote since that wasn't an option

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Jet_A_Jockey said:
p.s. i didnt vote since that wasn't an option

You don't believe that #9 covers that, Jet?

Jet_A_Jockey · Dec 5, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
You don't believe that #9 covers that, Jet?

No, the question was "what rights do homosexuals deserve to have" , they deserve to have the same rights that everyone has, regardless of sexual choice, race, religion, favorite food, etc. Unfortunately for them, the civil system federally is set in a way that only recognizes a heterosexual marriage, perhaps partly biblical and partly as a means to identify potential growing families. Either way, we all should have the right to vote, and the right to be married. Its not my fault that the govt does not recognize gay marriage.

This just falls back on the original unsubstantiated belief that people are born gay. Leading from that idea, it can attempt to justify homosexual action in the eyes of God and then gay marriage as valid.

Just wait, lets say the gay marriage passes federally, 10 years later, the argument will be "well the government allows gay marriages, and we are supposed to respect our government, so it must be ok"

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Jet_A_Jockey said:
No, the question was "what rights do homosexuals deserve to have" , they deserve to have the same rights that everyone has, regardless of sexual choice, race, religion, favorite food, etc. Unfortunately for them, the civil system federally is set in a way that only recognizes a heterosexual marriage, perhaps partly biblical and partly as a means to identify potential growing families. Either way, we all should have the right to vote, and the right to be married. Its not my fault that the govt does not recognize gay marriage.

This just falls back on the original unsubstantiated belief that people are born gay. Leading from that idea, it can attempt to justify homosexual action in the eyes of God and then gay marriage as valid.

Just wait, lets say the gay marriage passes federally, 10 years later, the argument will be "well the government allows gay marriages, and we are supposed to respect our government, so it must be ok"

I am surprised you believe that homosexuals need the right to marry each other. That is asking for special rights that no one else has. It undermines the family, and God doesn't recognize it.

I agree that homosexual people deserve the rights that everyone else has. Guess what? They already do! Adding rights is not constitutional--just as is taking away rights.

I don't know how you can accomodate it in your thinking.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Ohioprof said:
But you have put in an exception in your poll choice. You have said "except the right to marry their partners." That's not the same as everyone else.

You have the right to marry, just as I do. Period. If you elect a perverse lifestyle,...well, them's the breaks.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Ohioprof said:
My belief is that God created us and loves us all. That includes gay people.

He loves His creation, but He detests your homosexuality, as He says. If you want a two-way love relationship with God, then you need to repent and renounce your idol--homosexuality. Come to Christ who died for that sin, and be made whole. Otherwise, He is not in relationship with you at all. That can only happen at the moment of salvation.

Revelation 3:20
Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends.

Jet_A_Jockey · Dec 5, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
I am surprised you believe that homosexuals need the right to marry each other. That is asking for special rights that no one else has. It undermines the family, and God doesn't recognize it.

Actually I think you misunderstood my post, I never stated that I think they deserve the right to marry one another, I just stated that they deserve the same rights that everyone else has.

Floatingaxe · Dec 5, 2007

Jet_A_Jockey said:
Actually I think you misunderstood my post, I never stated that I think they deserve the right to marry one another, I just stated that they deserve the same rights that everyone else has.

Well, that's #9.

What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have -- WITH POLL!!

What "rights" do homosexuals "deserve" to have?

1. Homosexuals should be eliminated from society once and for all. (Lev. 18:22)

2. The right to exist but homosexuality should be criminalized & gays should be imprisoned for life.

3. The right to exist but homosexuals should be declared mentally ill & institutionalized for life.

4. The right to live wherever they want.

5. #4, plus the right to work in specific, designated professions.

6. #4, plus the right to work wherever they like.

7. #6, but their relationships must not receive any legal recognition.

8. #6, and their relationships should receive legal recognition.

9. All the rights that straight people enjoy, except the right to marry their partners.

10. All the rights that straight people enjoy, including the right to marry their partners.

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