What people believe does not change the truth...

[k4c]

Some people say, "I don't believe worshiping on Sunday is from Babylon". They may say that it doesn't matter which day you call holy. They may say I don't believe Satan is involved with changing God's holy day.

The truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter what individual people believe or don't believe. If you do your research you will find that God's word is true. The prophecies of God are sure and steadfast and lead us in the direction of what we should believe.

God tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy. He tells us how the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God and how the seventh day is set aside for sacred assembly.

If you are not obeying God in this matter it really doesn't matter what else you do or believe or not believe. I can tell you there is a powerful spiritual force in the world that is working to distort the truth of the seventh day. Persecution has come as a result of keeping the seventh day holy. Force has been used to enforce the first day. This is not of God and anyone who follows, agrees or denies this is following after the beast.

Look here and you will get a small glimps of the big picture.

http://looking4jesus.com/End-Time-Persecution.html

 

[Cribstyl]

Some people say, "I don't believe worshiping on Sunday is from Babylon".

It's your burden to present the appropriare scripture.

They may say that it doesn't matter which day you call holy.

Scripture say;Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

They may say I don't believe Satan is involved with changing God's holy day.

The truth of the matter is, it doesn't matter what individual people believe or don't believe.

If you do your research you will find that God's word is true.

The prophecies of God are sure and steadfast and lead us in the direction of what we should believe.

What prophesies are you talking about? EGW?

God tells us to remember to keep the seventh day holy. He tells us how the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God and how the seventh day is set aside for sacred assembly.

Not true, God's word say, we were strangers and foriegners of this covenant made with the Children of Israel unless you're Jewish.

If you are not obeying God in this matter it really doesn't matter what else you do or believe or not believe.

What a shame, of all the commandments there are, you're saying only one is important.

I can tell you there is a powerful spiritual force in the world that is working to distort the truth of the seventh day.

Persecution has come as a result of keeping the seventh day holy.

Force has been used to enforce the first day.

This is not of God and anyone who follows, agrees or denies this is following after the beast.

These false statements are off the charts.

 

[k4c]

It's your burden to present the appropriare scripture.

Scripture say;Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

What prophesies are you talking about? EGW?
Not true, God's word say, we were strangers and foriegners of this covenant made with the Children of Israel unless you're Jewish.

What a shame, of all the commandments there are, you're saying only one is important.

These false statements are off the charts.

I know I'm probably wasting my time but I'll share anyway because you never know what God will do.

Sun worship, in the Lord's house, has its root in Babylon.

Ezekiel 8:16 Then he brought me into the inner court of the Temple and there at the door, between the porch and the bronze altar, were about twenty-five men standing with their backs to the Temple of the Lord, facing east, worshiping the sun!

Sunday is the day sun worshipers honor it's called, "The Venerable Day of the Sun". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

The Bible is very clear as to what the Beast is. It's a kingdom that began forming in Babylon and ended with Papal Rome.

The Beast in Revelation 13 decribes Papal Rome.

Papal Rome is the little horn kingdom that changed God's Law and time.

Papal Rome changed God's seventh day Sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) as it relates to worship.

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”​

Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?​

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.​

Papal Rome has no problem admitting this change.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

When you honor Sunday, as the Lord's day, you are not honoring God, you are honoring the traditions of man and worshiping the Beast. And what does God say about that?

Mark 7:7-8 In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men...

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

When you honor Sunday instead of Saturday you are worshiping the beast because it's the Beast who made the change, not God. Listen to what God says about those who worship the Beast.

Revelation 14:9-10 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Notice you can have the mark of the the Beast on your forehead or your hand. The forehead is is the part of the brain where worship takes place and the hand is symbolic for your works. In other words, you may not be wroshiping Papal Rome, you may even speak against the Papacy but you can be obeying the Beast by what you practice as seen in your works. Sunday observance is a practice that did not come from God but is honored by just about every Christain denomination in the world.

For a more detailed study on this go here http://looking4jesus.com/Prophe-cy.html

 

[Cribstyl]

I know I'm probably wasting my time but I'll share anyway because you never know what God will do.

Sun worship, in the Lord's house, has its root in Babylon.

Ezekiel 8:16 Then he brought me into the inner court of the Temple and there at the door, between the porch and the bronze altar, were about twenty-five men standing with their backs to the Temple of the Lord, facing east, worshiping the sun!

Sunday is the day sun worshipers honor it's called, "The Venerable Day of the Sun". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

The Bible is very clear as to what the Beast is. It's a kingdom that began forming in Babylon and ended with Papal Rome.

The Beast in Revelation 13 decribes Papal Rome.

Papal Rome is the little horn kingdom that changed God's Law and time.

Papal Rome changed God's seventh day Sabbath from the seventh day (Saturday) to the first day (Sunday) as it relates to worship.

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”​

Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”
Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann,C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

What was established at the Council of Laodicea in 364-AD regarding the seventh day Sabbath of the fourth commandment?​

Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364)​

"Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, the Sabbath, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day (Sunday) they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day if however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ.”---Canon 29, Council of Laodicea, 364 C.E.​

Papal Rome has no problem admitting this change.

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is our mark of authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

When you honor Sunday, as the Lord's day, you are not honoring God, you are honoring the traditions of man and worshiping the Beast. And what does God say about that?

Mark 7:7-8 In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men...

Official Statement of the Catholic Church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.

When you honor Sunday instead of Saturday you are worshiping the beast because it's the Beast who made the change, not God. Listen to what God says about those who worship the Beast.

Revelation 14:9-10 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, "he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. And he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Notice you can have the mark of the the Beast on your forehead or your hand. The forehead is is the part of the brain where worship takes place and the hand is symbolic for your works. In other words, you may not be wroshiping Papal Rome, you may even speak against the Papacy but you can be obeying the Beast by what you practice as seen in your works. Sunday observance is a practice that did not come from God but is honored by just about every Christain denomination in the world.

For a more detailed study on this go here [URL="http://looking4jesus.com/Prophe-cy.html"]http://looking4jesus.com/Prophe-cy.html[/URL]

For the last seven years, I've been married to a SDA christian. Yes, I've been going to church on Sabbath too. The fact of it all is that SDA mimic Sunday Christians in worship. The only difference is sabbathkeeping and condenming other churches.

This thread topic show where some people get their truths.
The Gospel is the truth according to the bible.

 

[k4c]

For the last seven years, I've been married to a SDA christian. Yes, I've been going to church on Sabbath too. The fact of it all is that SDA mimic Sunday Christians in worship. The only difference is sabbathkeeping and condenming other churches.

This thread topic show where some people get their truths.
The Gospel is the truth according to the bible.

A cow can keep the Sabbath but that does not mean it loves God and neighbor. Nor does it mean it's receiving some kind of spiritual rest from Jesus because of its sin.

Exodus 20:10 The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

 

[Cribstyl]

A cow can keep the Sabbath but that does not mean it loves God and neighbor. Nor does it mean it's receiving some kind of spiritual rest from Jesus because of its sin.

Exodus 20:10 The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

A cow cannot keep the sabbath wise guy. And if you dont already know, Ex 20 is addressed to Israel and not any other people or nation.

Some people assume they can be Israel whenever they want to be them.
All the people who heard the words from God in Ex 20 were kept in the wilderness until they died(execpt Joshua and Caleb.

 

[k4c]

A cow cannot keep the sabbath wise guy. And if you dont already know, Ex 20 is addressed to Israel and not any other people or nation.

Some people assume they can be Israel whenever they want to be them.
All the people who heard the words from God in Ex 20 were kept in the wilderness until they died(execpt Joshua and Caleb.

Oh no! You're in trouble because both the old covenant and the new covenant were made to the house of Isreal.

Hebrews 8:8 And in fact God does find fault with the people; he says: Look, the days are coming, the Lord declares, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

Remember, everything that was written about what happen to Israel for their disobedince was written for our example.

 

[Cribstyl]

Oh no! You're in trouble because both the old covenant and the new covenant were made to the house of Isreal.

Hebrews 8:8 And in fact God does find fault with the people; he says: Look, the days are coming, the Lord declares, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

Remember, everything that was written about what happen to Israel for their disobedince was written for our example.

That's a problem for your understanding, because aparently you dont apply all the scriptures to knowledge.
What was called a "mystery" is revealed; that Gentiles are called to God through the doctrines and the New covenant of "faith". Peter and Paul presented this at the socalled Jerusalem council. (acts 15)


Gentiles were not called by Moses nor by the prophets.
We were not called to steal the identity and culture of any nation. (and then tell lies about their history)

God accepts and adopts us as who we are. We were foreigners and strangers but now we're His children.
God's promise to Abraham was that through him, all the family of the earth would be blessed.

Gen 12:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 18:18Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Your problem is identifying when God called the Gentiles and His message to them.
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[k4c]

That's a problem for your understanding, because aparently you dont apply all the scriptures to knowledge.
What was called a "mystery" is revealed; that Gentiles are called to God through the doctrines and the New covenant of "faith". Peter and Paul presented this at the socalled Jerusalem council. (acts 15)

Gentiles were not called by Moses nor by the prophets.
We were not called to steal the identity and culture of any nation. (and then tell lies about their history)

God accepts and adopts us as who we are. We were foreigners and strangers but now we're His children.
God's promise to Abraham was that through him, all the family of the earth would be blessed.

Gen 12:3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Gen 18:18Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

Your problem is identifying when God called the Gentiles and His message to them.
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Eph 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Many people make the misstake when they use Acts 15 as the standard for Christians. If this were true than I could steal, murder, lie, dishonor my parents, worship other gods but heaven forbid I eat meat with it's blood in it.

The issue in Acts 15, according to context, was not to burden newly converted Christians with so much doctrine all at once. There things that were mentioned were probably the main issues at the time that a newly converted Christian would have to face. Today it would probably be rap music, drugs or something along those lines. He goes on to say how they will learn the rest as they attend church on the Sabbath because that's where the rest they need to know will be taught.