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Isn't that a doctrine?
Does one need doctrines when one has actual commandments and original teachings?
What does a person need to accept doctrinally in the process of becoming a christian?
For years I assented to certain doctrines such justification by faith, but I found I wasn't a changed a person - even though I thought I believed the doctrines. What was wrong - I still struggle with this and wonder if I am born again or a christian at all, or if I am deceiving myself.
How does doctrine function in becoming a christian?
This is probably a daft question but does it move from the head to the heart , or the heart to head? I have heard people in churches talk about the need for people to "get it down to their heart" - how does that happen? Does one try to bring their experience into line with what they hold in their head doctrinally, or does one have an experience of God and that gives rise to what one holds to doctrinally?
Doctrine is like the manual for driving the car.
Driving the car according to the manual : is like being born again and walking in Christ according to scripture.
You can read the manual without ever driving the car.
you can drive the car without reading the manual - and take your bruises - at high risk not knowing the rules of the road.
Reading the Bible but never being born-again is almost saved... and almost saved is all--the-way-lost.
People are often so fed up with the way the world is run and the nastiness within it they are often delighted to find in scripture that there is an alternate way of life and governance out there. Worked for the slaves, servants and women who flocked to Jesus' teachings because it was anti-oppressive.but how does the new birth occur? This is the bit I would really like to understand?
I am aware there is a dispute going in the thread about doctrine. And I am aware that there are a lot of doctrines and that some christians hold some of those, and others don't and that some can be a point of controversy.
But please note Timothyu, Paul says to Timothy "watch your life and you doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."
What does he mean here?
What I suppose i am asking in my OP is doctrine merely something mental?
Whoah, too much! There's only on doctrine people need to know, that doctrine is simply the Doctrine of Christ, which is simply all that He said, which means to you, the believer, all that He said that you can understand; otherwise, you're gonna have to take someone else's word for it, and you know what that means: 'if it ain't the Lord's word you're taking, then it's probably gonna end up wrong in the end.What does a person need to accept doctrinally in the process of becoming a christian?
For years I assented to certain doctrines such justification by faith, but I found I wasn't a changed a person - even though I thought I believed the doctrines. What was wrong - I still struggle with this and wonder if I am born again or a christian at all, or if I am deceiving myself.
How does doctrine function in becoming a christian?
This is probably a daft question but does it move from the head to the heart , or the heart to head? I have heard people in churches talk about the need for people to "get it down to their heart" - how does that happen? Does one try to bring their experience into line with what they hold in their head doctrinally, or does one have an experience of God and that gives rise to what one holds to doctrinally?
Others I have read say head and heart are terms used to reflect the modern split in man, what some refer to as the Cartesian / Kantian split.
So does one need to be healed of this split to become a christian, because I just feel that no matter how much theology I know, its just sitting at the top of my head - in fact I think I am a hypocrite to be honest. Even when I have thought I had got it down to my heart I am not sure I have. So in many ways I feel I have ended up in something like hypocrisy - as my heart doesn't seem to be changed.
Francis Schaeffer says its very important that a person has the right concept of truth before becoming a christian
But what does it mean to believe something to be true? Take any proposition, what does it mean to believe that proposition to be true? I have heard family members saying about the Bible "we have to believe this is true" You have to hold to a particular concept of truth - that I am not sure I hold anymore. I wish I knew were the rot began with me. I just don't hold what I used to hold - and I went through some shifts in my thinking philosophically over the years. I wasn't living by faith, I was living by thinking during this time, and it has seemed impossible to get back. Something happens when you pass out of the modern conception of truth and reality - I became terribly confused - lost touch with reality. I am not sure what my conception is now, just living in my own truth I suppose. Over the last 25 years going to back to church nothing seems to have helped.
I have tried to talk to counsellors about it, but it some cannot understand how anyone cannot see that A is A.
Whatever my view is I have been told it isn't really postmodernism - but I cannot now recall my process through the philosophies as its years ago.
Is there a way out of this?
There's only on doctrine people need to know, that doctrine is simply the Doctrine of Christ, which is simply all that He said, which means to you, the believer, all that He said that you can understand;
Brother, an unbeliever needs to accept Christ, period.So are saying the doctrine Jesus himself taught as presented in the Bible, rather than any doctrine about him like a Christology, or Soteriology?
I suppose what I am asking really is what does an unbeliever need to accept?
Brother, an unbeliever needs to accept Christ, period.
Accepting Christ means accepting Him, Who He is, which requires obeying what He says, for He is the Master of the universe, and Creator of the same; so when He says to keep His commandments, we must, etc.
The gospel is the good news that the Creator of the universe has revealed Himself to the world, for the express purpose of reconciling the world to Himself, by saving those of us whom He foreknew before the world was.
This redemption is the salvation, from the coming destruction, which is the restoration, of what was once good.
Men no longer have to die, but through Christ, they can live forever, like God, and be with Him, Who is love, forevermore, where peace reigns, in a new world, without end.
Well, brother, that's actually an easy one, for the Holy Spirit tells us plainly about those who say there is no God, and those who do not love the truth:But what if someone doesn't believe in God, or in Absolute truth?
What does a person need to accept doctrinally in the process of becoming a christian?
For years I assented to certain doctrines such justification by faith, but I found I wasn't a changed a person - even though I thought I believed the doctrines. What was wrong - I still struggle with this and wonder if I am born again or a christian at all, or if I am deceiving myself.
How does doctrine function in becoming a christian?
This is probably a daft question but does it move from the head to the heart , or the heart to head? I have heard people in churches talk about the need for people to "get it down to their heart" - how does that happen? Does one try to bring their experience into line with what they hold in their head doctrinally, or does one have an experience of God and that gives rise to what one holds to doctrinally?
Others I have read say head and heart are terms used to reflect the modern split in man, what some refer to as the Cartesian / Kantian split.
So does one need to be healed of this split to become a christian, because I just feel that no matter how much theology I know, its just sitting at the top of my head - in fact I think I am a hypocrite to be honest. Even when I have thought I had got it down to my heart I am not sure I have. So in many ways I feel I have ended up in something like hypocrisy - as my heart doesn't seem to be changed.
Francis Schaeffer says its very important that a person has the right concept of truth before becoming a christian
But what does it mean to believe something to be true? Take any proposition, what does it mean to believe that proposition to be true? I have heard family members saying about the Bible "we have to believe this is true" You have to hold to a particular concept of truth - that I am not sure I hold anymore. I wish I knew were the rot began with me. I just don't hold what I used to hold - and I went through some shifts in my thinking philosophically over the years. I wasn't living by faith, I was living by thinking during this time, and it has seemed impossible to get back. Something happens when you pass out of the modern conception of truth and reality - I became terribly confused - lost touch with reality. I am not sure what my conception is now, just living in my own truth I suppose. Over the last 25 years going to back to church nothing seems to have helped.
I have tried to talk to counsellors about it, but it some cannot understand how anyone cannot see that A is A.
Whatever my view is I have been told it isn't really postmodernism - but I cannot now recall my process through the philosophies as its years ago.
Is there a way out of this?
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