What or Who Is Satan?

[Wade Smith]

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]SPIRITUAL AWARENESS OR BEWARE OF THE SPIRITS! [/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Think about this for a moment. Does Satan have allies among men? No! He is the destroyer. His mission is to destroy us if we are good or bad. Not one man or woman upon this earth can go into battle against him without the armor of God. There is no way you can fight with this spirit alone or any spirit for that matter. First of all, Satan and his minions are invisible. The Bible calls this "chains of darkness." If these evil spirits could appear before man whenever they got ready, man would not have a chance to obtain eternal life. They can only appear when they have permission. These beings have greater wisdom than man, greater strength than an ox, swifter than an eagle, and more fierce than a lion. How can you fight and enemy like that? We can not, not alone. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Let's begin this lesson by showing the only way you can be protected from this powerful enemy. The only way is to run behind his boss, and who is his boss? The Everlasting GOD. Hope and pray that the Lord doesn't send him after you. If He does you don't have a chance. Satan will only attack when the Lord God gives the order. Those of us that call ourselves servants of God, do what the book says, stay away from the willful sins. Then the Lord will have no reason to put these evil spirits on you. Let's get started and see whose power we need to defend ourselves against Satan and his minions. [/FONT]
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First of all, God does not "order" satan to attack anyone.

God allows it to happen, but never "orders" this. If God did "order" an evil Spirit to attack a human being, then that would place the blame of temptation on God, but James says that "God does not tempt man with evil."

Second, God is not "satan's boss".

As a matter of fact, satan rebelled against God, and is completely the enemy of God. He has no chance to win his pathetic little rebellion, and will ultimately go to the Lake of Fire, but he is not the servant of the Lord in any real fashion. He is the enemy of the Lord.


Satan is a defeated foe. Colossians lays this out plain as day. The death of Jesus on the Cross blotted out the law, and spoiled powers and principalities. Jesus has made a spectacle of the devil, and "triumphed" over them. To "Triumph" over an enemy in the Greco-Roman times basicly meant to parade a defeated enemy general around for everyone to see that you have indeed defeated him.

 

[LogosRhema]

As I told you tanzel. Your understanding is not according to the Spirit. I'm not the only one pointing this out.

 

[Bro.T]

First of all, God does not "order" satan to attack anyone.

God allows it to happen, but never "orders" this. If God did "order" an evil Spirit to attack a human being, then that would place the blame of temptation on God, but James says that "God does not tempt man with evil."

Second, God is not "satan's boss".

As a matter of fact, satan rebelled against God, and is completely the enemy of God. He has no chance to win his pathetic little rebellion, and will ultimately go to the Lake of Fire, but he is not the servant of the Lord in any real fashion. He is the enemy of the Lord.


Satan is a defeated foe. Colossians lays this out plain as day. The death of Jesus on the Cross blotted out the law, and spoiled powers and principalities. Jesus has made a spectacle of the devil, and "triumphed" over them. To "Triumph" over an enemy in the Greco-Roman times basicly meant to parade a defeated enemy general around for everyone to see that you have indeed defeated him.

I can see you didn't read the lesson, you just pick a little piece out the whole topic, so lets see who the boss.

Lets go to Revelation 20: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So now we see satan getting lock up, do you really think satan want to
get lock up. So who's the boss, Jesus of course.

Lets go a little futher.... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, (Revelation 20:7) So who the boss?
God of course. Who created who, God created angles and man and everything in the earth.

But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
(Hebrews 1:13,14)

So lets finish up on whoes the boss , lets go our last place.... And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10) Whoes the boss?

So in the future read, first.

peace in Jesus name

 

[Bro.T]

As I told you tanzel. Your understanding is not according to the Spirit. I'm not the only one pointing this out.

I'm glad, just more to teach, you shouldn't be so quick to agree with people, with know understanding, it puts you in a bad spot.

peace in Jesus name

 

[LogosRhema]

I wasn't agreeing. I already said what he said. You must not be from the US judging by your writing and comprehension, not that its a bad thing, but I can tell.

 

[Bro.T]

Ok, I understand you.

peace in Jesus name

 

[LogosRhema]

Oh and btw. You are using the context of "boss" in two different ways. And taking scripture out of context as well. But whats it matter. 3 people now have told you, you were wrong. It takes three to confirm.

False Doctrine.

Pownt.

 

[Bro.T]

Oh and btw. You are using the context of "boss" in two different ways. And taking scripture out of context as well. But whats it matter. 3 people now have told you, you were wrong. It takes three to confirm.

False Doctrine.

Pownt.

I disagree and you should explain and point out somethings, I notice that about you, you don't make your point clear. Those verses I use clearly made my point, jesus is the boss.

 

[Bro.T]

Now, let's see an example of a sin unto death. We will take a look at King Saul, the first king of Israel.

God gave him several orders through the prophet Samuel. Saul continued doing what he felt was right instead of doing what the Lord said to do. This sin brought about a physical death. Notice what the Lord says to Samuel. And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons. (I Samuel 16:1)

him several orders through the prophet Samuel. Saul continued doing what he felt was right instead of doing what the Lord said to do. This sin brought about a physical death. Notice what the Lord says to Samuel.
And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? Fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons. (I Samuel 16:1)

Note what the Lord says, "How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel." Saul has simply crossed the line and the Lord has cast him away from Him. But, Samuel loved Saul and tried to get Saul back into the graces of God. This is what Peter is talking about when he says, "There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." Samuel should have no longer prayed for Saul, he knew Saul wasn't following the commandments of God. This happens today also. We all have someone we care for dearly. We do the same thing Samuel did. We mourn for them, but if they continue after they have been told several times, we should be very careful because the Lord might turn on us. Remember that we plant the seed and the Lord gives the increase. Take a look what happens if you cross that line.

Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah. But the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.

Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well. And Saul said unto his servants, provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. (Samuel I 16:13-17)

 

[Bro.T]

Note what took place after Saul continued to transgress the Lord's commandments, "the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him." The Lord put an evil spirit on Saul and this spirit rode Saul until he was killed in battle. Let's hope sisters and brothers that this never happens to us. So here is a little advice from the Lord's chief apostle, Peter. Take heed to these verses.

Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (I Peter 5:6-7)

So, when trouble strikes cast your care upon the Lord. He is the only one that can protect you, and you have seen He is the only one that can hurt you. You have no choice but to obey.

Remember that the Lord has the lake of fire for those who transgress His law. What must we be while we walk in this flesh?

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. (Peter I 5:8)

 

[Bro.T]

Brothers and Sisters, this thread is very basic, all I did is post scriptures and verses
threw out the Bible, so you can see the characterist of satan and how God
deals with evil angles. Brother and Sisters all angles are ministering spirtis, weather
that be good or bad. Unholy angles or evil spirits can sometimes be call devils. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
(James 2:19)

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. (James 4:7,8)

Its either you on God side or the side of evil or the devils. Satan just the chief of them all. This thread points out who is who, I can tell people by their fruits, and who keeps the commandments, who hears, who don't, I consider myself a seed planter, this word of God is about salvation and at the end of the rode, it tides in the good side of the kingdom or the lake of fire.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:13,14)

Some people think they save now, the end is not yet.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:14,15)

peace in Jesus name

 

[Benoni]

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.


Now the religious system teaches that Ez 28:13 and Is 14:12 are speaking of Satan and the KJ Bible is the only version that uses the word Lucifer. It is not even a Hebrew word.


Moffat translation says "What a fall from heaven O Shining star of the dawns" Rotherham"How hast thou fallen from heaven, O shining One, son of the dawn!"Amplified "how are you fallen from heaven O light-bearer and day star, son of the morning!"

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.


Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these thing sin the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The word Lucifer in the Strong's Concordance says it is a title applied to the king of Babylon. The word itself means the morning star. The word MAN means a mortal, an individual, a male person. I could rest my case on just that one verse alone, but why would Peter under the direction of the Holy Spirit compare Jesus as the Day star with Lucifer the Devil?
It is the erroneous translation of the KJ that infers such.
Lucifer was never an Arc Angel, he was a MAN. (Satan is a spirit.)

Is14:15 says he was brought down to hell, (sheol, place of the dead) the side of the pit. Satan is never thrown in the grave because he has no part in a natural death as he is a spiritual being. Only MAN dies and is placed in a grave. Evil spirits only go to a place called Tartarus and Satan the high ranking one is sent to the lake of fire.( which is not hell)

Even the Jews knew the true name of Satan. They called him Beelzebub. Satan was created a tool

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. (See God created Satan nothing mentioned about being an angel in his beginning)


Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..


I cannot see that Satan had two beginnings. The word beginning in the Greek means beginning. Not first he was an angel, second he was a murder and liar. Which one was he? Do we take the RCC's translation or do we take the correct translation of the word Lucifer?

Satan was full of darkness. God is not working on a plan B. He has had a plan and a purpose from the beginning and Satan was a part of that plan. Simply a tool. Never an angel.

This is my stand and I feel that you have a choice to believe the word of God or to accept a false doctrine made up in the minds of religious men.

 

[Bro.T]

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering-----------in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth -----15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Is 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!------13 For thou hast said in thine heart (mind) I will ascend into heaven, ---- 14 I will belike the most High, 15 yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit, -----16----Is this the MAN that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms------.


Now the religious system teaches that Ez 28:13 and Is 14:12 are speaking of Satan and the KJ Bible is the only version that uses the word Lucifer. It is not even a Hebrew word.


Moffat translation says "What a fall from heaven O Shining star of the dawns" Rotherham"How hast thou fallen from heaven, O shining One, son of the dawn!"Amplified "how are you fallen from heaven O light-bearer and day star, son of the morning!"

2 Pet 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts.


Rev 22:16 I JESUS have sent mine angel to testify unto you these thing sin the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

The word Lucifer in the Strong's Concordance says it is a title applied to the king of Babylon. The word itself means the morning star. The word MAN means a mortal, an individual, a male person. I could rest my case on just that one verse alone, but why would Peter under the direction of the Holy Spirit compare Jesus as the Day star with Lucifer the Devil?
It is the erroneous translation of the KJ that infers such.
Lucifer was never an Arc Angel, he was a MAN. (Satan is a spirit.)

Is14:15 says he was brought down to hell, (sheol, place of the dead) the side of the pit. Satan is never thrown in the grave because he has no part in a natural death as he is a spiritual being. Only MAN dies and is placed in a grave. Evil spirits only go to a place called Tartarus and Satan the high ranking one is sent to the lake of fire.( which is not hell)

Even the Jews knew the true name of Satan. They called him Beelzebub. Satan was created a tool

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy. (See God created Satan nothing mentioned about being an angel in his beginning)


Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNINGand abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING.For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..


I cannot see that Satan had two beginnings. The word beginning in the Greek means beginning. Not first he was an angel, second he was a murder and liar. Which one was he? Do we take the RCC's translation or do we take the correct translation of the word Lucifer?

Satan was full of darkness. God is not working on a plan B. He has had a plan and a purpose from the beginning and Satan was a part of that plan. Simply a tool. Never an angel.

This is my stand and I feel that you have a choice to believe the word of God or to accept a false doctrine made up in the minds of religious men.

Lets start with Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Lets take this scripture and put it with these verses....And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

So now we clearly see Lucifer, which is known by satan, who got kick out
of heaven.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Like I said brother and sisters, you can tell people by their fruits, now who
got the false doctrine.

peace in Jesus name

 

[Benoni]

Lets start with Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Lets take this scripture and put it with these verses....And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

So now we clearly see Lucifer, which is known by satan, who got kick out
of heaven.

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Like I said brother and sisters, you can tell people by their fruits, now who
got the false doctrine.

peace in Jesus name

Adam fell from heaven, does that make him Satan? How is Lucifer known as Satan; except thought some dead religous doctrine. Chapter and verse please; show me Lucifer is Satan? [/font]

So Satan fell from heaven; what is heaven? [/font]

Satan was in Eden; nothing mentioned of Lucifer here.

Satan was always a liar, always a murderer; from his beginning (beginning means beginning of source); show how could he also be an angel at the same time be a murderer, a liar. God created the waster (Satan to distroy) what is it what you have not showed me; or God's Word.

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Are you like the Jews where your traditions are more important then God's Word?

In with, by Christ, George

By the way have you ever seen lighting fall?

 

[Bro.T]

I can't go that low with you, steve wonder can see that, and, you think adam fell
from heaven. Call me whatever you want, but I can't go there with you. Sorry

peace in Jesus name

 

[Benoni]

I can't go that low with you, steve wonder can see that, and, you think adam fell
from heaven. Call me whatever you want, but I can't go there with you. Sorry

peace in Jesus name

So what you are really saying is you cannot prove that Satan was an angel.

Adam did fall.... So you are do not belive that when Adam walk and talk with God in cool (spirit of the day) and then later when Adam sinned he no longer was clothed with God's glory and found out he was naked. That was not falling from God's grace?

 

[Kasih]

So what you are really saying is you cannot prove that Satan was an angel.

Adam did fall.... So you are do not belive that when Adam walk and talk with God in cool (spirit of the day) and then later when Adam sinned he no longer was clothed with God's glory and found out he was naked. That was not falling from God's grace?

Been lurking this forum for few weeks.
Decided to join today. Good stuff.

Back on topic:
I believe satan was an angel who was banned from heaven from being wanting be equal like God.


Ezekiel 14:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


Isaiah 14
12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Also many have come to view the word "fallen" as denoting a fall from grace, though it seems some think was simply to descend from the heavens.

 

[Benoni]

Been lurking this forum for few weeks.
Decided to join today. Good stuff.

Back on topic:
I believe satan was an angel who was banned from heaven from being wanting be equal like God.


Ezekiel 14:14 - Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.


Isaiah 14
12. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13. For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Also many have come to view the word "fallen" as denoting a fall from grace, though it seems some think was simply to descend from the heavens.

I know the traditional teaching from Rome, let us look outside the traditions of the past and look at the facts from God's Word.

You cannot have it both ways I have already pointed out Isaiah 14; no where does it say Lucifer is the Devil or Satan. God created the Waster to destroy; if this is scripture then how can the devil be an angel (messenger); the word “messenger” should replace angel; even though the word angel is not a translation but a transliteration; in other words the translator with a bias. This teaching like many comes from Rome like many and should be looked at with opened spiritual eyes.

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.

There is no such word for angel in the Greek of Hebrew The word angel simply means messenger; many time there are heavenly messengers as well as in some cases earthy messenger, you must weigh each verse closely. Satan is a spirit; but my point is his powers are limited; not like God who is all powerful. Satan has no power unless God ordained it. We give him way too much power the idea that some how he can pull the wool over God’s eyes is just plain carnal and religous.

Adam fell from grace; the Devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning; that is how God created him. Are you saying Satan has two beginnings; if so chapter and verse please.

 

[kellyc]

lucifer is a man? so lucifer is NOT satan?

 

[kellyc]

oops, double post. when did adam fall from heaven? lucifer means falling star i thought. so why do you think satan and lucifer are two different things?