I find that some people don't believe, satan is angle, or the lake of fire,
or how the Lord uses satan, or is there and end of satan, the mark of the
beast. All this covers those question.
peace in jesus
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So what is the point of the scripture and the bolded words tanzel? What are you trying to say.
I find that some people don't believe, satan is angle, or the lake of fire,
or how the Lord uses satan, or is there and end of satan, the mark of the
beast. All this covers those question.
peace in jesus
Lake of Fire is symbolism.
Satan is not Lucifer.
Mark of the beast is your beast nature....
Satan can do nothing unless God ordains it.
Amen...You need to prove each of those statements by Scripture.
Yes. It symbolizes... a place of eternal torment of fire. So it's not an actual "lake" like a big body of water. It's just a whole lot of fire.... or so.Lake of Fire is symbolism.
You have yet to prove that.Satan is not Lucifer.
Nope. You can't even say that without twisting scripture. though out of morbid curiosity, I want you to try and prove it anyway.Mark of the beast is your beast nature....
That one is true. But why bother saying that when you both agree on that point? It's not a contradiction that i can see.Satan can do nothing unless God ordains it.
Amen...
Lets start with the Book of Revelation.
There are many prophecies that have been literal; the Bible is full of them. I am speaking of the Book of Revelation; the first verse shows the foundation to the whole book; unless you can show me it is literal?
Revelations 1:1
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass (not 2000 years); and he sent and signified (signs and symbols) it by his angel (messenger) unto his servant John:
John was in Spirit on the Lords Day; this makes the Revelation a spiritual book; not literal, not carnal, not prophetic. (Please show me in scripture if I am wrong?) Revelation or the unveiling of Jesus Christ; it is the most spiritual Book in all the Bible; and I always put Genesis in second place. It is a book full of hidden spiritual symbolisms and for those who have the spiritual eyes or ears to see or hear it.
If this awesome spiritual book is something other then I am saying; then please show me in scripture your view point. If you cant prove it in scripture; especially after I just showed you then all you have is dogma, religion, doctrine. Should I believe you, orthodoxy, or who ever; maybe your church or denomination; or Gods Word.
Should I believe you or Gods Word? I am backing my claim by Gods Word it is symbolic; so if you say it is literal then prove it with Gods Word? Yes there are literal Churches or assemblies; but there is a deep spiritual hidden message under the surface. Look closely at that first chapter and there are all kinds of foundations that establish revelations in this context Book of Revelations is the Revelations of Jesus Christ with in us; not without.
This one little word is so reverent to the whole book Revelations; signified or signs and symbols. The Book Revelations can only be understood but as a very deep and awesome spiritual book by using signs and symbols that can only be found in the Bible. Where do you find these signs and symbols; all thought the Bible; written yes by the hands of deep spiritual men from many ages. But all with Gods anointing of Gods Spirit leading and guiding them; not some system of man and his religions.
I find that some people don't believe, satan is angle, or the lake of fire,
or how the Lord uses satan, or is there and end of satan, the mark of the
beast. All this covers those question.
peace in jesus
Not to play Devils Advocate, but....
It doesn't mention satan being an angel at all in there.
It mentions AN angel, but that angel is not satan.
You just cannot get it.....
The word angel is not a translation from the Greek or Hebrew; the word means messenger; anyone can be a messenger.
Look it up, or that to hard for you?
Yes. It symbolizes... a place of eternal torment of fire. So it's not an actual "lake" like a big body of water. It's just a whole lot of fire.... or so.
So yes, you're right in saying it's symbolism, technically.
If that was meant to disprove something, though, you failed.... Epicly.
You have yet to prove that.
Nope. You can't even say that without twisting scripture. though out of morbid curiosity, I want you to try and prove it anyway.
That one is true. But why bother saying that when you both agree on that point? It's not a contradiction that i can see.
At least I respect my elders. Or did, at any rate.
I can't say you show me the same respect though.
I'm only 20, yet I can act more civilly than you.
Wow.
When you can prove your theory to my satisfaction, we shall see.
And I'm not catholic. I don't have the "we can become angels/angels have wings" view. I believe they ARE messengers of God. But that tehy are a separate creation from us Humans as well.
So you see.... you still have a lot of "looking up" to do yourself.
*smiles like a rockstar*
You are entitled to your opinion, but do not call me "fool" merely because you THINK something may be this way or that way.
With big claims... come big evidence!
Show me the evidence for all your claims.....
OH! And here's the kicker...
*plays air guitar, life bar flashes dangerously*
You can't post any scripture you have already posted as evidence!
Just as a guitar solo should be fresh, so must your evidence!
Hebrews 1:14 NIV
14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
True, angels or messenger are many things; but Satan was never and archangel.
Not to play Devils Advocate, but....
It doesn't mention satan being an angel at all in there.
It mentions AN angel, but that angel is not satan.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:7-9)
Lets take another look at the Lake of fire....
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. (Isaiah 66:22-24)
Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
What does everlasting mean? Read the whole chapter in Isaiah 33 and it will date this everlasting burning. In Mark, here is a unclean spirit (evil angel) asking Jesus not to torment him. Remember angels are spirits and can be also tormented.
Mark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
This is future in Luke. Why? We have not had the first resurrection yet and Abraham is still in the grave.
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
I hope I share some light on the conversation, about satan
being angle, and the lake of fire.
peace in jesus name
You are going to have a hard time with people, I'm not going thereAgely
A careful study of the Greek word aionios (translated as eternal, everlasting, and forever and ever in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun aion which always means an indeterminate period of time. It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate aionios from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. Gods punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL Gods purpose for it is complete.
The word punish means to prune.
The parable of Lazarus is a parable and is not literal.
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