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What one would learn from Mahabharat?

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Vandhiyathevan

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And the following biblical verses is what you embrace:

Joshua 7:15, “15And it shall be, that he that is taken with the devoted thing shall be burnt with fire, he and all that he hath; because he hath transgressed the covenant of Jehovah, and because he hath wrought folly in Israel.”

I Kings 13:2 says, “And he cried against the altar by the word of Jehovah, and said, O altar, altar, thus saith Jehovah: Behold, a son shall be born unto the house of David, Josiah by name; and upon thee shall he sacrifice the priests of the high places that burn incense upon thee, and men's bones shall they burn upon thee.”

Judges 21:12, “And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead four hundred young virgins, that had not known man by lying with him; and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.”

Deut 21:10-11 says, “When thou goest forth to battle against thine enemies, and Jehovah thy God delivereth them into thy hands, and thou carriest them away captive, 11and seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and thou hast a desire unto her, and wouldest take her to thee to wife;”

Deut 13:13-15 says, “13Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of thee, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known; 14then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in the midst of thee, 15thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.”

Deut 17:12 says, “And the man that doeth presumptuously, in not hearkening unto the priest that standeth to minister there before Jehovah thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel. “

Exodus 22:20, 20He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto Jehovah only, shall be utterly destroyed.

Deut 17: 2-5 says, “2If there be found in the midst of thee, within any of thy gates which Jehovah thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that doeth that which is evil in the sight of Jehovah thy God, in transgressing his covenant, 3and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, or the sun, or the moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 4and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, then shalt thou inquire diligently; and, behold, if it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel, 5then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, who hath done this evil thing, unto thy gates, even the man or the woman; and thou shalt stone them to deathwith stones.

Deut 22:28-30 says, “If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days. 30A man shall not take his father's wife, and shall not uncover his father's skirt.”

Judges 19:22-30 says, While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him." 23 The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don't do this disgraceful thing. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing."25 But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. 26 At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. 27 When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. 28 He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. 29 When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. 30 Everyone who saw it said, "Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Think about it! Consider it! Tell us what to do!"

Ezekial 9:5-7, “And to the others he said in my hearing, Go ye through the city after him, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity; 6slay utterly the old man, the young man and the virgin, and little children and women; but come not near any man upon whom is the mark: and begin at my sanctuary.”

Exodus 32:27-29 says, “And he said unto them, Thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, Put ye every man his sword upon his thigh, and go to and fro from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men. 29And Moses said, Consecrate yourselves to-day to Jehovah, yea, every man against his son, and against his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day.”

Num 21:3 says, “3And Jehovah hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and the name of the place was called Hormah.

Num 31:32-35, Now the prey, over and above the booty which the men of war took, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep, 33and threescore and twelve thousand oxen, 34and threescore and one thousand asses, 35and thirty and two thousand persons in all, of the women that had not known man by lying with him.

Deut 2:31-34, “And Jehovah said unto me, Behold, I have begun to deliver up Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, unto battle at Jahaz. 33And Jehovah our God delivered him up before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed every inhabited city, with the women and the little ones; we left none remaining:

Judges 11:30-31, 34-39 says, “And Jephthah made a vow to the LORD : "If you give the Ammonites into my hands, 31 whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be the LORD's, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering. When Jephthah returned to his home in Mizpah, who should come out to meet him but his daughter, dancing to the sound of tambourines! She was an only child. Except for her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 When he saw her, he tore his clothes and cried, "Oh! My daughter! You have made me miserable and wretched, because I have made a vow to the LORD that I cannot break." 36 "My father," she replied, "you have given your word to the LORD. Do to me just as you promised, now that the LORD has avenged you of your enemies, the Ammonites. 37 But grant me this one request," she said. "Give me two months to roam the hills and weep with my friends, because I will never marry."38 "You may go," he said. And he let her go for two months. She and the girls went into the hills and wept because she would never marry. 39 After the two months, she returned to her father and he did to her as he had vowed. And she was a virgin.


Compared to the bible, the Mahabarat is like pre-school. I think Hindu parents would have their children watch Mahabarat cartoons rather than the bible cartoons and it's atrocious acts. Wouldn't you think?

Peace.





First and foremost, keep in mind that the mahabarat is an Epic. its not a "religious text" as the ones from which you quoted are. Yes it has religion in it But it is on a far lighter-tone than on purely religious texts.

If you want to compare religious texts, then compare with the vedas, the Upanishads and the Bagavat gita(and other Hindu religious texts)

You are comparing apples and oranges.:)




on the topic of this thread

the mahabarata epic is the longest epic in the world(7 times the size of the Iliad and odyssey combined). its about a battle between good and evil And also about "duty"

and like Hinduism it does not separate the 2 armies into "only good, only bad" force. both sides have good and bad characters while one side fights for righteousness while the other does not

One of the heroes Of Mahabharata is "Karna" a supreme warrior and the elder bro of the 5 "Pandavas"(the 5 brothers who head the righteous side). yet he fights on the side of their opponents; knowing full well that his brothers are the good ones. He does so because it is his "duty" to protect and help his friend Thuriyodhana(who is the villain and the leader of the bad side). Karna could have simply joined his brother's army, and be crowned king, yet he chose certain defeat and death knowingly because he did not want to "desert" a friend at his time of need.

and when Karnan falls dead on the battlefield, everybody weeps, including the opponents armies. because they know that he could have chosen to live, but he stayed on the evil-army because of his "duty". and he was praised by the gods themselves.

the morale of the story is that there are several levels of "duty". and one must do his duty regardless of the results.

It is these kind of tragic yet thought-provoking characters that make the Mahabarat a truly great Hindu Epic.
 
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First and foremost, keep in mind that the mahabarat is an Epic. its not a "religious text" as the ones from which you quoted are. Yes it has religion in it But it is on a far lighter-tone than on purely religious texts.

If you want to compare religious texts, then compare with the vedas, the Upanishads and the Bagavat gita(and other Hindu religious texts)

You are comparing apples and oranges.:)

Brother, I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you please explain your reasoning of these statements?
 
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Brother, I have no idea what you are talking about. Can you please explain your reasoning of these statements?

what i meant was that the quotes of urs were taken from strictly "religious" texts whereas Mahabarat is not a "religious" book per se. it has Hinduism in it but it is not a religious text.

so obviously the number of profound quotes will be few and far between in any such semi-religious text than it would be in religious texts:)
 
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what i meant was that the quotes of urs were taken from strictly "religious" texts whereas Mahabarat is not a "religious" book per se. it has Hinduism in it but it is not a religious text.

so obviously the number of profound quotes will be few and far between in any such semi-religious text than it would be in religious texts:)

Oh I see brother, but there is a misunderstanding. Actually what happened was a Christian member had said Hinduism is an evil religion, so my argument was that Hinduism has been a peaceful religion, and I provided those biblical verses proving the bible has had it's share in violence and bloodshed. I was not comparing biblical verses to the same context of the Mahabarat.
 
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What an interesting book this Mahabarat. ll have to be sure to keep a look out for it next time im at my local bookstore :D

yep, nothing beats the printed book...but if u wanted to check this out

its an English translation and its free. online
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/index.htm

(note that what u see listed are the chapters from the book 1(out of 18!!)...to get to the other books, u have to select them up top

hope this link helps

Ps:be amazed at the sie of the story!...after all..its The largest epic in the world by far.haha:)
 
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Oh I see brother, but there is a misunderstanding. Actually what happened was a Christian member had said Hinduism is an evil religion, so my argument was that Hinduism has been a peaceful religion, and I provided those biblical verses proving the bible has had it's share in violence and bloodshed. I was not comparing biblical verses to the same context of the Mahabarat.


ah my bad, i apologise
 
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