What must you do to inherit eternal life?

[A Brother In Christ]

you have stated that Christ has given us are everlasting life

col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear



If Christ is eternal and he is our life... we have eternal life

 

[nobdysfool]

you have stated that Christ has given us are everlasting life

col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear

If Christ is eternal and he is our life... we have eternal life

Now you're grasping at straws.

If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God. Be mindful of things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life has been hidden with Christ in God. When Christ our Life is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory. Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness (which is idolatry), on account of which things' sake the wrath of God is coming on the sons of disobedience, among whom you also once walked, when you lived in these. But now also put off all these things: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, shameful speech out of your mouth. Do not lie to one another, having put off the old man with his deeds and having put on the new, having been renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, foreigner, Scythian, slave or freeman, but Christ is all things in all. (Col 3:1-11)

Paul is not addressing the subject of everlasting life here, he is addressing the subject of sanctification, with mention of the end of our redemption, the glorification of our own bodies. You can't just rip a verse out of context, solely because it appears to say what you want to say in regard to another subject.

You have offered no compelling argument or reasoned refutation of what I have set forth. You just want to be stubborn and hold to your own notion, in spite of logic, grammar, scripture, or scholarship. I have made my case, and it stands. Thanks for playing.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

you have stated that Christ has given us are everlasting life

col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear



If Christ is eternal and he is our life... we have eternal life

your gasping for straws

or is it the truth that you want to deny

 

[nobdysfool]

you have stated that Christ has given us are everlasting life

col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear



If Christ is eternal and he is our life... we have eternal life



or is it the truth that you want to deny

Well then, if we have eternal life, then we have always existed? That's what eternal life means......life without beginning or end.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Well then, if we have eternal life, then we have always existed? That's what eternal life means......life without beginning or end.

God's life we get to use His life since we are put in to Christ[Remember he has eternal life]...

where are life is... we kinda get a transfusion ..

or is not God are root and we are graffed in...col 2:7, romans 11:17-19

remember God has the power to make this happen even though we are not eternal He make it able that we...the lowest spirit based creature can use eternal life...

 

[nobdysfool]

God's life we get to use His life since we are put in to Christ[Remember he has eternal life]...

where are life is... we kinda get a transfusion ..

or is not God are root and we are graffed in...col 2:7, romans 11:17-19

remember God has the power to make this happen even though we are not eternal He make it able that we...the lowest spirit based creature can use eternal life...

Use His life? Strange term, not biblical. I think you're just making this up as you go along. You still haven't produced one viable, well-reasoned argument against what I have said.

We can enjoy the benefits of Christ's Life in us as Christians, but what it produces in us is Everlasting Life, i.e. Life without end. We will never die. That's life that lasts forever, everlasting life.

Words mean things, ABIC.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

We can enjoy the benefits of Christ's Life in us as Christians, but what it produces in us is Everlasting Life, i.e. Life without end.
We will never die. That's life that lasts forever, everlasting life.

Words mean things, ABIC.

the problem with this is luke 16:19-31

even the unbeliever who have died live forever.....

so unbeliever get the same benefit....oh boy sign me up

 

[nobdysfool]

the problem with this is luke 16:19-31

even the unbeliever who have died live forever.....

so unbeliever get the same benefit....oh boy sign me up

You have totally ignored the distinctions that I have stated, and the Bible states, regarding the unbeliever. And you refuse to admit that there is a functional, qualitative, and difference in essence between the life God has, and the life He gives us. We can NEVER be eternal. Therefore, the life that we receive from God for us is everlasting. That life is quantitatively and qualitatively different than the life an unbeliever retains after their physical death. Your attempt to call that everlasting life, using the term that John 3:16 in the KJV calls everlasting life as a gift to the Believer, is dishonest and poor theology, because nowhere in scripture is the state of the unbelieving, damned sinner referred to as "life". You equate them when it suits your false theology, and separate them when it doesn't.

By your reckoning, everlasting life is already possessed by everyone, saint and sinner alike. That is manifestly untrue, and would set aside John 3:16, and host of other scriptures. In the Luke passage, the rich man refers to his state of existence as torment. In other scriptures it is also referred to as torment, suffering, weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, gnawing their tongues in pain, etc. It is never referred to as "life". Your feeble attempt to call it that shows that you invent your own theology where it suits you, to hold to an idea that has been shown to be inaccurate and the result of inconsistent translation, which you cling to despite being shown that it is not accurate. It tickles your ears to think that you could possess eternal life. The very definition of the word "eternal" precludes such an idea. So you invent little word games so you can cling to your wrong idea.

You are wrong, and have been shown to be wrong. Admit it, and move on.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

You have totally ignored the distinctions that I have stated, and the Bible states, regarding the unbeliever. And you refuse to admit that there is a functional, qualitative, and difference in essence between the life God has, and the life He gives us. We can NEVER be eternal. Therefore, the life that we receive from God for us is everlasting. That life is quantitatively and qualitatively different than the life an unbeliever retains after their physical death. Your attempt to call that everlasting life, using the term that John 3:16 in the KJV calls everlasting life as a gift to the Believer, is dishonest and poor theology, because nowhere in scripture is the state of the unbelieving, damned sinner referred to as "life". You equate them when it suits your false theology, and separate them when it doesn't.

By your reckoning, everlasting life is already possessed by everyone, saint and sinner alike. That is manifestly untrue, and would set aside John 3:16, and host of other scriptures. In the Luke passage, the rich man refers to his state of existence as torment. In other scriptures it is also referred to as torment, suffering, weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, gnawing their tongues in pain, etc. It is never referred to as "life". Your feeble attempt to call it that shows that you invent your own theology where it suits you, to hold to an idea that has been shown to be inaccurate and the result of inconsistent translation, which you cling to despite being shown that it is not accurate. It tickles your ears to think that you could possess eternal life. The very definition of the word "eternal" precludes such an idea. So you invent little word games so you can cling to your wrong idea.

You are wrong, and have been shown to be wrong. Admit it, and move on.

are we talking about me or you...

 

[Hitch2astar]

You are wrong, and have been shown to be wrong. Admit it, and move on.

reading some of these debates does make u wonder... are ppl are more interested in helping each other see the truth or proving each other wrong.

 

[nobdysfool]

are we talking about me or you...

You know very well who I mean. Deal with it.

 

[nobdysfool]

reading some of these debates does make u wonder... are ppl are more interested in helping each other see the truth or proving each other wrong.

Helping each other see the truth is preferable, but some refuse to see.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

You know very well who I mean. Deal with it.

I am sorry .. to get under your skin...

however I believe you are trapped by satan....2 tim 2:23-26

 

[nobdysfool]

I am sorry .. to get under your skin...

however I believe you are trapped by satan....2 tim 2:23-26

I'm going to ignore the subtle implications of that. You're wrong. You have not addressed what I have said, but continue to cling to an irrational idea. I can't help that, I can only try to help you see that what you are saying doesn't make rational sense. Too many people hold to irrational and contradictory beliefs because they seem to think that spiritual concepts don't have to make sense, or even that the fact that what they believe doesn't make sense somehow "proves" that it's spiritual, and therefore correct. That's just plain dumb.

It is obvious to me that you cannot explain why you believe what you do, and aren't willing to think about it. That's too bad, and really quit sad, because your spiritual growth will be stunted to the extent that you refuse to consider that you have no rational basis for what you believe about this subject, just a knee-jerk reaction. Spiritual knowledge is not arrived at through the mind only, but spiritual things, when properly understood, make rational sense, due to the enlightneing of the mind by the Holy Spirit. God is not irrational, and His Truth is not irrational, to the Believer. Unbelievers have a veil over their minds, and cannot perceive or understand spiritual things. It is foolishness to them, as God intended and God has ordained. Believers undergo a renewal of the mind, over time, progressively, or they should, but many resist such growth. They cling to irrational ideas, and concepts that they have no rational basis for believing, they have just gotten "stuck" and don't want to be "unstuck". I believe that you're in that position regarding this subject.

I pray that God opens your eyes.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

I'm going to ignore the subtle implications of that. You're wrong. You have not addressed what I have said, but continue to cling to an irrational idea. I can't help that, I can only try to help you see that what you are saying doesn't make rational sense. Too many people hold to irrational and contradictory beliefs because they seem to think that spiritual concepts don't have to make sense,

since you do not understand....simple bible truth 1 cor 2:14 yet i like vs 17 For who hath known the mind of Lord, that he may be joined in Him.Now we have the mind of Christ.

used the christain life that God has given
positional already has all tools to live it out phil 4:19

or even that the fact that what they believe doesn't make sense somehow "proves" that it's spiritual, and therefore correct. That's just plain dumb.

It is obvious to me that you cannot explain why you believe what you do, and aren't willing to think about it. That's too bad, and really quit sad, because your spiritual growth will be stunted to the extent that you refuse to consider that you have no rational basis for what you believe about this subject, just a knee-jerk reaction. Spiritual knowledge is not arrived at through the mind only, but spiritual things, when properly understood, make rational sense, due to the enlightneing of the mind by the Holy Spirit. God is not irrational, and His Truth is not irrational, to the Believer. Unbelievers have a veil over their minds, and cannot perceive or understand spiritual things. It is foolishness to them, as God intended and God has ordained. Believers undergo a renewal of the mind, over time, progressively, or they should, but many resist such growth. They cling to irrational ideas, and concepts that they have no rational basis for believing, they have just gotten "stuck" and don't want to be "unstuck". I believe that you're in that position regarding this subject.

I pray that God opens your eyes.

1 cor 2:14-1 cor 3:3

sorry you are one one bringing up your personel opinion over and over no scripture not talking about greek words, not combining to other truths..

but I still think [if a believer] you are one in Christ sitting by the father at his right hand...

instead of you attacking me personelly ..Gal 4:29;5:13

remember
eph 1...the whole chapter all these thing are true right know of all christian..positional truth

 

[nobdysfool]

since you do not understand....simple bible truth 1 cor 2:14 yet i like vs 17 For who hath known the mind of Lord, that he may be joined in Him.Now we have the mind of Christ.

used the christain life that God has given
positional already has all tools to live it out phil 4:19

1 cor 2:14-1 cor 3:3

sorry you are one one bringing up your personel opinion over and over no scripture not talking about greek words, not combining to other truths..

but I still think [if a believer] you are one in Christ sitting by the father at his right hand...

instead of you attacking me personelly ..Gal 4:29;5:13

remember
eph 1...the whole chapter all these thing are true right know of all christian..positional truth

You susbstitute some sort of shorthand for real discussion. I don't think you can actually explain your position, so you hide behind verbal shorthand and buzz words. Whatever.

The "if a believer" was unnecessary, and your complaint that I'm attacking you personally is without warrant. I'm trying to get you to actually rationally discuss this, in a logical thinking fashion, and I'm pointing out your refusal to do so, and questioning your ability to do so. I am not questioning your salvation, as you've done with me twice now. I'm trying to get you to think, which you seem unable or unwilling to do. I'm attacking your lack of rational defense of your position, and your refusal to deal with that. If that offends you, then maybe you should consider that it might mean that I am right, and you DO need to deal with it.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

what verse ? do you try? to understand

not all have the gift of speaking gifts

but we need unity within the body ...till that time come I cannot wait..