What must you do to inherit eternal life?

[kw5kw]

The way to inherit eternal life is to repent, put your trust in Jesus, and believe He will save you by the gift of His sacrafice. Works are the fruits of a changed heart. If your heart is not truly changed, God knows. Lack of Works will show your lack of change. But consider this... totally paralyzed person accepts Christ. Should they then not inherit eternal life because they cannot physically do works?...[/QUOTE]

Always something different to consider, at least for us men to consider. I trust that God has that already answered!
Russ

 

[A Brother In Christ]

The way to inherit eternal life is to repent, put your trust in Jesus, and believe He will save you by the gift of His sacrafice. Works are the fruits of a changed heart. If your heart is not truly changed, God knows. Lack of Works will show your lack of change. But consider this... totally paralyzed person accepts Christ. Should they then not inherit eternal life because they cannot physically do works?

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eternal life is mental..eph 4:23

we do not always use it .. when we get a new body.. we get to use it all the time...

 

[nobdysfool]

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so when the majority says one thing they are always right...by your doctrine....Matt 7:13-14...warning ...warning...common sense please

You're not making sense. I showed you conclusively that the very verse you used to try to argue against what I have been saying actually undercuts your theology, and supports what I said.

My statement is that why two word and a majority of the time it is call eternal....

No, your statement was to try to make an untenable difference between eternal and everlasting, when the Greek words are translated both ways. I simply pointed out, and it is backed by the translations, that eternal is properly used to refer to God, His Life, and His Attributes, and everlasting is properly used to refer to all other considerations regarding things and persons who continue without end.

The logic of this is unassailable. God alone is Eternal, without beginning, without end. Mankind is NOT eternal, and being finite, we cannot receive into ourselves and contain something infinite. It takes nothing away from the free gift of God to those who believe to call it what it properly is, EVERLASTING LIFE.

Your attachment to the term Eternal Life is an emotional one, and not based on sound exegesis of scripture, or sound doctrine.

everlasting word in NT is named twice in Greek yet not translated the same

so if romans 1:20 is eternal please define the other greek word that is commonly used for eternal...

It has already been explained to you. You just don't like the answer.

why did God lead these men to use a different word to be translated to be the same diffintion

Why don't just accept that they did? And with good reason. You have been shown that reason. Deal with it.

luke 16: 19-31 the rich man that is in hell...can could see, taste water,had eyes to see yet was very must alive in torment

but lets just ignore scripture...

I'm not ignoring scripture, YOU ARE!

Your issue is not a scriptural one, because scripture does not support your view. It is really a philospohical issue: Quality of Life. Jesus said that He came that we might have LIFE, and have it abundantly. He said He is the Way, the Truth, and the LIFE. Life is found in Him. Those who suffer in Hell are alive in the sense that they have existence, but it is hardly a quality of life.

You are wanting to make an artifical, unscriptural distinction between the Life we receive as Believers, and the existence that the Damed have in Hell, and call the Believer's life "eternal", and the Reprobates' life "everlasting". The bible doesn't make that distinction. There is a difference between the quality of life the Believer enjoys, and that of the reprobate in Hell, no doubt. But that doesn't give you license to play fast and loose with words, and mislabel them to undergird a theological position that is inaccurate, and leads to confusion.

Neither you or I believe in annihilationism, so we have no disagreement on whether or not people in Hell live forever, because scripture is clear on that: everlasting torment. One cannot experience torment if one is not alive. Believers receive everlasting LIFE from God. Life is the operative word here, and TRUE LIFE is found in Christ. All other life is mere conscious existence. There IS a difference, but that difference is not between "eternal" and "everlasting".

Bottom line: scripture does not support your view, nor does logic.

 

[Zenmaker]

[BIBLE]Romans 3:21-31[/BIBLE]

21 But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight-not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago. 22 We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done.
23 For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard. 24 Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins. 25 For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times. 26 And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus.
27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on our good deeds. It is based on our faith. 28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.
29 After all, God is not the God of the Jews only, is he? Isn't he also the God of the Gentiles? Of course he is. 30 There is only one God, and there is only one way of being accepted by him. He makes people right with himself only by faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. 31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

You're not making sense. I showed you conclusively that the very verse you used to try to argue against what I have been saying actually undercuts your theology, and supports what I said.
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No, your statement was to try to make an untenable difference between eternal and everlasting, when the Greek words are translated both ways. I simply pointed out, and it is backed by the translations, that eternal is properly used to refer to God, His Life, and His Attributes, and everlasting is properly used to refer to all other considerations regarding things and persons who continue without end.

do you believe that the scriptures are God breathed like 2 Peter 1:19-21 talks about don't you...

just because translators can't pick the same word to use consistanly

there where not lead to translate it correctly .... one misses alot when they misinterpt a word whether you like it or not I will not worry about your hang ups....

The logic of this is unassailable. God alone is Eternal, without beginning, without end.

everlasting

Mankind is NOT eternal,

ignoring John 17:3, 1 john 5:11-12,20 where the translator correctly called it..

and being finite, we cannot receive into ourselves and contain something infinite. It takes nothing away from the free gift of God to those who believe to call it what it properly is, EVERLASTING LIFE.

everlasting..once created everone get to live forever whether it be spiritual dead or spiritual alive

in Romans 1:20 what do people see by creation...

a creator who had power that lasts..psalms 19:1

In luke 16:19-31 show that the rich man has everlasting life of damnation...thats what I want...no

Your attachment to the term Eternal Life is an emotional one, and not based on sound exegesis of scripture, or sound doctrine.

It has already been explained to you. You just don't like the answer.



Why don't just accept that they did? And with good reason. You have been shown that reason. Deal with it.



I'm not ignoring scripture, YOU ARE!

right...so the words in greek have the same meaning what the differences

Your issue is not a scriptural one, because scripture does not support your view. It is really a philospohical issue: Quality of Life. Jesus said that He came that we might have LIFE, and have it abundantly. He said He is the Way, the Truth, and the LIFE. Life is found in Him. Those who suffer in Hell are alive in the sense that they have existence, but it is hardly a quality of life.

that right.... eternal life is those who have Christ in them and they are living it out right now...

You are wanting to make an artifical, unscriptural distinction between the Life we receive as Believers, and the existence that the Damed have in Hell, and call the Believer's life "eternal", and the Reprobates' life "everlasting". The bible doesn't make that distinction. There is a difference between the quality of life the Believer enjoys, and that of the reprobate in Hell, no doubt. But that doesn't give you license to play fast and loose with words, and mislabel them to undergird a theological position that is inaccurate, and leads to confusion.

I did not write the bible the HS makes the distinctions not me...englishman greek look it up

Neither you or I believe in annihilationism, so we have no disagreement on whether or not people in Hell live forever, because scripture is clear on that: everlasting torment. One cannot experience torment if one is not alive. Believers receive everlasting LIFE from God. Life is the operative word here, and TRUE LIFE is found in Christ. All other life is mere conscious existence. There IS a difference, but that difference is not between "eternal" and "everlasting".

you say this yet you argue???

Bottom line: scripture does not support your view, nor does logic.

With in Christ there is peace...

 

[nobdysfool]

do you believe that the scriptures are God breathed like 2 Peter 1:19-21 talks about don't you...

All scripture is given by inspiration from God. That is not the issue here. Quit trying to muddy the water.

just because translators can't pick the same word to use consistanly

And of course you are uniquely qualified to correct their "error", aren't you?

there where not lead to translate it correctly .... one misses alot when they misinterpt a word whether you like it or not I will not worry about your hang ups....

My likes and dislikes have nothing to do with it. Yours obviously do. And try to be a little more coherent in your posts. We both speak English. I shouldn't need a translator to figure out what you're saying.

ignoring John 17:3, 1 john 5:11-12,20 where the translator correctly called it..everlasting..once created everone get to live forever whether it be spiritual dead or spiritual alive

And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (Joh 17:3) LITV

And this is the witness: that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. The one having the Son has life. The one not having the Son of God does not have life. (1Jo 5:11-12) LITV

And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life everlasting.
(1Jo 5:20) LITV

in Romans 1:20 what do people see by creation...

For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. (Rom 1:20) LITV

Who is being referenced here? Who does the adjective "eternal" refer to?

a creator who had power that lasts..psalms 19:1

To the chief musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens are recounting the glory of God (which is, by defintion, Eternal), and the expanse proclaiming His handiwork (which is also, by definition, Eternal). (Psa 19:1)

Why do you not see the obvious thing I'm pointing out? God is Eternal. Only He is Eternal. We are not. We cannot have Eternal Life, because we're not God. One of the Attributes of God is that He is Eternal. God gives us Everlasting Life when we believe on Christ. That is, Life without end. True Life. Unending Life, in Christ, and with Him. Those who do not have the Son, do not have Life. That they exist in torment forever may technically be a kind of life, but it is not the Life that Christ gives, and by comparison, is death.

Your problem is that you refuse to see that the Greek words can be translated either way, as "eternal" or "everlasting", and the translators, for the most part, have seen that "eternal" is the proper use when referring to God Himself, and "Everlasting" is proper for all other references. Both words have the same end, but they differ in one critical aspect: Eternal implies "no beginning and no ending; timeless'" and everlasting implies that it began at a point in time, and continues forever. Both continue forever, but only one has a beginning point.

In luke 16:19-31 show that the rich man has everlasting life of damnation...thats what I want...no that right.... eternal life is those who have Christ in them and they are living it out right now...I did not write the bible the HS makes the distinctions not me...englishman greek look it up you say this yet you argue???


With in Christ there is peace...

[staff edit]

Bottom line: Your attempts to twist scripture and negate translations failed, and it is still you who do not see that you have no leg to stand on. And trying to trot out the old "I didn't write it, I'm just reporting it" bit doesn't cut it. That is no excuse to turn off your mind and believe that spiritual things are of a necessity illogical. Your position makes no sense.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

All scripture is given by inspiration from God. That is not the issue here. Quit trying to muddy the water.

so if the translators do not make i dictinction I shouldn't either .... I think God picked certain words for real reasons to express His thoughts

so when the two different words are going back and forth with two different words ...that what God wanted???

And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. (Joh 17:3) LITV

And this is the witness: that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son. The one having the Son has life. The one not having the Son of God does not have life. (1Jo 5:11-12) LITV

And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life everlasting.
(1Jo 5:20) LITV



For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things made, both His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. (Rom 1:20) LITV

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my bible states eternal on your everlasting verses

and this eternal in romans 1:20 is everlasting???

word study these or get a greek scholar to help you!!

 

[nobdysfool]

so if the translators do not make i dictinction I shouldn't either .... I think God picked certain words for real reasons to express His thoughts

Oh, I understand, just turn off your brain. What's your problem?

so when the two different words are going back and forth with two different words ...that what God wanted???

No, He expects you to use your brain. There is a very logical reason, and it has been explained to you. Your refusal to accept it wouldn't have anything to do with me being a Calvinist, would it? Perhaps I'm destroying your mythological concept of Calvinists?

my bible states eternal on your everlasting verses

Perhaps mine is better translated than yours. Ever think of that???

And the penultimate verse regarding everlasting life (John 3:16) in the KJV is translated "Everlasting". I notice you've been studiously avoiding that verse. Here it is:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Joh 3:16) KJV

and this eternal in romans 1:20 is everlasting???

Nope. As I pointed out repeatedly, Eternal refers to God. Romans 1:20 refers to God. Therefore the word is translated properly as "eternal".

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Rom 1:20) KJV

word study these or get a greek scholar to help you!!

Start using your head, and get a better bible. My Greek scholarship is just fine, and I have resources to consult that you don't. I don't get my Greek from a lexicon. I have shown you that the Greek words can be translated either way (eternal or everlasting) equally well, so the criteria is one of usage, not translation. The context determines the translation. Perhaps that's a little over your head.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Oh, I understand, just turn off your brain. What's your problem?



No, He expects you to use your brain. There is a very logical reason, and it has been explained to you. Your refusal to accept it wouldn't have anything to do with me being a Calvinist, would it? Perhaps I'm destroying your mythological concept of Calvinists?

A and C both partially wrong and right...but what ever

Perhaps mine is better translated than yours. Ever think of that???

So you do not read greek then....

And the penultimate verse regarding everlasting life (John 3:16) in the KJV is translated "Everlasting". I notice you've been studiously avoiding that verse. Here it is:

Mine says eternal

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (Joh 3:16) KJV




Nope. As I pointed out repeatedly, Eternal refers to God. Romans 1:20 refers to God. Therefore the word is translated properly as "eternal".

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (Rom 1:20) KJV




Start using your head, and get a better bible. My Greek scholarship is just fine, and I have resources to consult that you don't. I don't get my Greek from a lexicon. I have shown you that the Greek words can be translated either way (eternal or everlasting) equally well, so the criteria is one of usage, not translation. The context determines the translation. Perhaps that's a little over your head.

So how many years of study have you done of Greek ?

my brother and pastor have done 3 years of hebrew and greek lauguage...
these men have taken lesser jobs so that they can spend time studing God's word...

but what ever they can show the greek word and explain it all..

sorry it you want to ignore ..that your choice

but there are warnings ... Matt7:13-14 2 tim 2:25-26

 

[looking2heaven]

Hi.guys...i believe that the only way you can recieve eternal life is by addmitting that you have sinned and trusting Christ to save you...you must also believe that He died and rose again......Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God......Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord the Bible also says that those not written in the book of life shall be cast into the lake of fire...and it sasys that those who have trusted in Christ shall not Face judgement for we have been made pure in Christ...


Simply put...the way to heaven is through repentance in Jesus Christ....!!!!!!

 

[A Brother In Christ]

agreed ...

 

[LovesLife]

Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

NOT by our knowledge of greek!

1Co 8:1 ¶ Now concerning things sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies.



this tread is totally out of hand. It needs to be shut down.

Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

 

[nobdysfool]

So you do not read greek then....

Mine says eternal

So how many years of study have you done of Greek ?

my brother and pastor have done 3 years of hebrew and greek lauguage...
these men have taken lesser jobs so that they can spend time studing God's word...

but what ever they can show the greek word and explain it all..

sorry it you want to ignore ..that your choice

but there are warnings ... Matt7:13-14 2 tim 2:25-26

Look, The Greek words can be translated either way. As can be seen from various translations, that is evident. You're trying to make a doctrinal distinction based on arbitrary translation, and I'm saying that such an action is without warrant. What I'm arguing for is consistency in translation. Apparently that flew right over your head.

The simple fact of the matter is, God alone is eternal. Will you not agree that this is so?

Will you not also agree that we are NOT eternal?

Therefore, the Greek words in question (which can both be translated as EITHER "eternal" or "everlasting"), are not going to help us here. The criteria for translation should be simple: who or what is being referred to? When it is God Himself, wouldn't "eternal" be the better translation? And when it is in reference to us, what we receive, or anything that is not a reference to God where one of those words is used, wouldn't it be sensible to translate it as "everlasting"? It stands as a clear principle that the finite (us) cannot fully contain the Infinite (God).

To make a statement such as you did, that people in Hell have everlasting life, is really not biblical, because while they have existence, true life is only found in Christ. In reality, since various translation have translated it both ways in every occurence of the Greek words in the original texts, you can't even appeal to the translators as being somehow imbued with more discernment, because for every one you produce that translated it one way, I can produce one who translated it the other way, with equal reason to do so. So the translators are not an avenue of proof, either.

Eternal Life and Everlasting Life are ultimately interchangeable terms. I prefer the method I've outlined, because I believe it to be more accurate, and more consistent. You have produced no cogent, logical or convincing reason why that is not an acceptable method. It seems you oppose just to be contrary. That is not a good enough reason.

What I object to is you making a doctrinal statement based on an arbitrary translation of two related Greek words that can be translated either as "eternal" or "everlasting", and have been so translated.

As for Greek sources, I have studied Greek, my brother holds an MDiv degree, and is a Greek scholar, currently working on translating the Book of Romans and the book of Galatians from the Greek, as an exercise and to increase his facility with Greek, which is already quite good. Not only that, I have an acquaintence who is very well versed in Greek syntax, grammar, and idioms, and is helpful in sorting out the nuances and shades of meaning of passages where the tense, voice, and gender of a Greek phrase holds keys to the meaning of passages that are hard to translate and to understand. They both agree that the issue here is not the translation of the words themselves, for the above stated reasons, but the issue here is the context and the subject matter, and agree that "eternal" properly should refer only to God, His Purposes, and His Attributes, and "everlasting" should refer to everything else, including the Life received when one believes on Christ, because of the finite nature of the recipients.

And those warnings apply equally well to you. I have done no violence to the scriptures, but you have done violence to reason and clear thinking.

 

[nobdysfool]

this tread is totally out of hand. It needs to be shut down.

As a new poster on these forums, you are not qualified to make such a determination. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're overstepping yourself to say what you have said. Sit back and read, and you might just learn something.

 

[LovesLife]

Oh, I understand, just turn off your brain. What's your problem?



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So what is your opinion on this statementin light of
Col 4:6Letyour speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.


I fully stand for battling for truth, but it's crucial to do so in love. Nonchristians read this and it causes them to right us off as hypocrites. I may be new to the forums, but this isn't just a forum issue. This is a body issue. As a member of the body of Christ it was my responsibility to report this tread to the moderators since it is clearly in violation to forum rules.

Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"
1.1 You may discuss another individual's beliefs or religious organization but you will not harass, insult, belittle, threaten, defame or flame the individual (member or non-member) as this is considered personal (ad hominem) attacks in posts, PMs and any other communication within the site. This includes, but is not limited to:
a. Directly calling another member “cultist”, “heretic” or “bigot” as these are personal attacks and are not conducive to civil discussion.
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What is your opinion on this? Do we not have responsibilities as members of the body of Christ? This is a serious question, I relly do want to hear your view.

Love is no substitution for truth, but must always acompany it.

 

[nobdysfool]

So what is your opinion on this statementin light of
1Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, Iamnothing.

How can you say that shows love? I fully stand for battling for truth, but it's crucial to do so in love. Nonchristians read this and it causes them to right us off as hypocrites. I may be new to the forums, but this isn't just a forum issue. This is a body issue. As a member of the body of Christ it was my responsibility to report this tread to the moderators since it is clearly in violation to forum rules.

What is your opinion on this? Do we not have responsibilities as members of the body of Christ? This is a serious question, I relly do want to hear your view.

Read some of the things Paul, Peter, and even Christ Himself said to people. When it was necessary, they didn't pull any punches. Speaking the Truth in love is not always this nice, gentle, soft and inoffensive speech that many today seem to think is the only way it can be done. Sometime the truth is confrontational, and must be spoken in that manner. Sometimes one must challenge and confront wrong thinking, and shock the reader or listener out of their thought pattern to fully get their attention. Soteriology is a serious and vital aspect of the Faith, because without a correct understanding of who Christ is, what He has done, and how it is received and applied, one may very well think they are saved, and not actually be saved. And there is a lot of false doctrine and wrong understanding, even in the Church, that must be addressed.

You certainly are entitled to ask, and to receive a reply to your concerns. As in most forums, there are protocols and methods governing, and some of them are not specifically spelled out, but left to the moderators to judge.

Thank you for asking, and I hope that I have answered, at least in part, some of your concerns.

Peace....

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Look, The Greek words can be translated either way. As can be seen from various translations, that is evident. You're trying to make a doctrinal distinction based on arbitrary translation, and I'm saying that such an action is without warrant. What I'm arguing for is consistency in translation. Apparently that flew right over your head.

Yet why do the angels in Jude 6 have everlasting judgement like the rich man has in luke 16:19-31

they are still alive... so everone gets a form of life...

it comes down to quality

and Since God lives inside of us...john 14:20-21 we can experience eternal life which is thru His Son

this is a new to Humans and was not offer to the Jews

The simple fact of the matter is, God alone is eternal. Will you not agree that this is so?

Will you not also agree that we are NOT eternal?

Therefore, the Greek words in question (which can both be translated as EITHER "eternal" or "everlasting"), are not going to help us here. The criteria for translation should be simple: who or what is being referred to? When it is God Himself, wouldn't "eternal" be the better translation? And when it is in reference to us, what we receive, or anything that is not a reference to God where one of those words is used, wouldn't it be sensible to translate it as "everlasting"? It stands as a clear principle that the finite (us) cannot fully contain the Infinite (God).

To make a statement such as you did, that people in Hell have everlasting life, is really not biblical,

yet there is luke 16:19-31 which makes your defintion wrong not my words but scripture

because while they have existence, true life is only found in Christ. In reality, since various translation have translated it both ways in every occurence of the Greek words in the original texts, you can't even appeal to the translators as being somehow imbued with more discernment, because for every one you produce that translated it one way, I can produce one who translated it the other way, with equal reason to do so. So the translators are not an avenue of proof, either.

Eternal Life and Everlasting Life are ultimately interchangeable terms. I prefer the method I've outlined, because I believe it to be more accurate, and more consistent. You have produced no cogent, logical or convincing reason why that is not an acceptable method. It seems you oppose just to be contrary. That is not a good enough reason.

your opinion

What I object to is you making a doctrinal statement based on an arbitrary translation of two related Greek words that can be translated either as "eternal" or "everlasting", and have been so translated.

this is not english

As for Greek sources, I have studied Greek

Me too

, my brother holds an MDiv degree

same here ...went 7 years of schooling 4.0 grade point average...

, and is a Greek scholar, currently working on translating the Book of Romans and the book of Galatians from the Greek, as an exercise and to increase his facility with Greek, which is already quite good. Not only that, I have an acquaintence who is very well versed in Greek syntax, grammar, and idioms, and is helpful in sorting out the nuances and shades of meaning of passages where the tense, voice, and gender of a Greek phrase holds keys to the meaning of passages that are hard to translate and to understand.

my brother and pastor do this too... in our bible study

They both agree that the issue here is not the translation of the words themselves, for the above stated reasons, but the issue here is the context and the subject matter, and agree that "eternal" properly should refer only to God, His Purposes, and His Attributes, and "everlasting" should refer to everything else, including the Life received when one believes on Christ, because of the finite nature of the recipients.

And those warnings apply equally well to you. I have done no violence to the scriptures, but you have done violence to reason and clear thinking.

peace in Christ .... remember luke 16 ...rich man who could see, taste, hear, who has a body and is very much alive in hell....

alive forever... this is everlasting life ... but it is not a quality very general term

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

NOT by our knowledge of greek!

1Co 8:1 ¶ Now concerning things sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies.



this tread is totally out of hand. It needs to be shut down.

Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

this is stone on stone steel on steel

you are over reacting

He may have attacked me... but no offense to me... Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, nay; but rather division.

this is the truth of God's scripture....

how does a believer react to the truth and if another does not react in love does the other respond in love or in his flesh....

call an opportunity to live it in extreme circumstances

 

[nobdysfool]

Yet why do the angels in Jude 6 have everlasting judgement like the rich man has in luke 16:19-31

they are still alive... so everone gets a form of life...

it comes down to quality

Which is the point I tried to make and you refused to acknowledge.

and Since God lives inside of us...john 14:20-21 we can experience eternal life which is thru His Son

We cannot experience eternal life, because we are not eternal. Why is that such a hard thing for you to grasp? The finite cannot contain the infinite.

this is a new to Humans and was not offer to the Jews

Don't compound your error with Dispensational baloney. Jew and Greek alike are saved by faith, and enjoy everlasting life in Him.

yet there is luke 16:19-31 which makes your defintion wrong not my words but scripture

The account of the rich man and Lazarus the beggar does not in the least contradict what I have said. Are you seriously going to argue that the rich man has everlasting life, and Lazarus has eternal life? As though there were a difference between the two? The same Greek words are translated both ways in scripture. There is no quantitive difference between the two terms, but there is a correct application of those terms. You are trying to make a doctrinal distinction between two equivalent terms. That is poor theology, my friend. Very poor theology. I have asked several questions which you have studiously avoided answering, preferring instead to just repeat your own view (and not all that clearly, I might add), as though repetition would establsih it as true. You have not even attempted to address the logical issues I have raised.

my brother and pastor do this too... in our bible study

Good for them. I would do so also if I had the time. But let's not start the comparison game, and try to one-up each other with who and what we know or do, or our friends do, or draw judgments on the other over those things. They have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

peace in Christ .... remember luke 16 ...rich man who could see, taste, hear, who has a body and is very much alive in hell....

alive forever... this is everlasting life ... but it is not a quality very general term

To be very specific and accurate, Believers have everlasting life, as promised in John 3:16. Those in Hell, Hades, or wherever, do not have everlasting life, they have everlasting torment which is not the same thing. They are conscious, they are in torment, and they always will be, but to call that "life" in the same way as the Life Believers enjoy is grossly inaccurate, and unbiblical. True life is found only in Christ. Anything apart from that is death (not cessation of existence, but lack of True Life).

Do you begin to see how terms need to be defined accurately? English falls somewhat short in precision at points like this. We can define our terms more exactly, and thereby arrive at clearer understanding, or we can continue to do as you have, and keep the definitions nebulous, so that you can confuse people, and then claim that they misunderstood your words, all the while claiming to have an understanding that many don't.

All you are doing is claiming that this or that scripture proves me wrong, but you offer no reason, and no examination of the words to show why. On the other hand, I have shown clearly that your reasoning is faulty and illogical, and presented reasons why I believe my view is accurate, and does no violence to scripture. I am forced to conclude that you either can't or don't know how to defend your view with the same care which I have defended mine.

I know what I believe, and why I believe it. Do you?

 

[A Brother In Christ]

We cannot experience eternal life, because we are not eternal. Why is that such a hard thing for you to grasp? The finite cannot contain the infinite.

so believer are not the temple of God? 1 cor 6:19