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what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

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i see......
 
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dfw69 said:
What does that mean to you..that jesus came to fulfill law not change it?

i dont have the def of hell...i just see hell as describe inn the new trstament
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Simply put the nt doesn't contradict the OT, Jesus followed the OT and the law is refered often in the nt to back up nt teachings. We need to understand the OT in relation to Jesus' fulfillment of it.

The NT description of hell needs to compliment the OT. if it doesn't then the OT is not wrong, we are.
 
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i got you...

.loammi does the new and old contradict?.....lol jk
 
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LoAmmi said:
All of these seem to suggest that the wicked will be destroyed utterly.
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Maybe but I think that's too superficial, the NT talks about sinners already being dead in their sin. Paul uses OT themes to illustrate this I think but I'm not near my bible to check

Off the top of my head in genesis, God warns Adam that he will die if he eats the apple and yet the death he experienced wasnt the ultimate destruction we might infer from the label of death.

Destroy, death and all those words didn't have the ultimate meaning in past times. The merneptah stela (first extra biblical source for Israel) states that the israel is no more their seeds are destroyed. Clearly that isnt literal because it would be wrong.
 
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It also is not Jewish. Ancient cultures were not well known for saying that their enemies got away and made them look foolish.
 
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I will assume that you cannot. Thank you.
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Believing in the words Jesus taught is not forced.
Formed and knew. Sanctified. Proof that God knows His own and is able to declare His own Holy before leaving the womb.
Gods word is eternal. Blessed are those that come in the name of The LORD.

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
 
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Believing in the words Jesus taught is not forced.
Formed and knew. Sanctified. Proof that God knows His own and is able to declare His own Holy before leaving the womb.
Gods word is eternal. Blessed are those that come in the name of The LORD.
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I asked you a specific question. You seem to be incapable of answering that question. This is merely a diversion from that inquiry.
 
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LoAmmi said:
It also is not Jewish. Ancient cultures were not well known for saying that their enemies got away and made them look foolish.
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: ) very true.


Ironically this stela is retelling an egyptian military campaign into Canaan that post dates the exodus. Maybe late in Joshua's time or just after. The defeat of the Israelites in this battle is not recorded in the OT.
 
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traditionalist said:
Ironically this stela is retelling an egyptian military campaign into Canaan that post dates the exodus. Maybe late in Joshua's time or just after. The defeat of the Israelites in this battle is not recorded in the OT.
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Still, victories are always overblown as well. "We crushed them" could easily be "We sacked a city and then left"
 
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someguy14 said:
Absolutely not. If Jesus does not the works of his Father, don't believe. If Jesus does do the works of God, The Father, though you believe not on Jesus, believe the works, that you may know that God, The Father is in Jesus.
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Simply put, you are not answering my question. I asked you, specifically, if you could show me how the Psalm verse was related to the messiah. You have answered in the quoted fashion.

This is like answering my inquiry about what time it is with a speech about how you do not like Daylight Savings Time. Sure, I can see the relation, but you are not really being forthcoming with an answer.
 
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