SIT THEE BEHIND ME, GEL!
Could you please, show where Dan 2:43 identifies angels.
To me, it is wacko to think that The God of all mercy would destroy the earth just because man married unbelievers.
GEL, God explains why He destroys the whole earth:
Gen 6:5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
No mention here of angels. God's wrath upon the earth was because of sin, not because of some transgression of the angels. The flood is the antitype of the wrath to come in final judgment, just as the ark is the antitype of Christ.
1 Pet 3:20-21
who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Just as the salvation of the 8 persons in the ark thru the water is a type of salvation image for us to understand being saved in Christ even though we die and are buried (and resurrected in Christ) as baptism shows. Noah preached the Gospel to the people around him, he was a 'preacher of righteousness' and yet only he and his family were saved from the wrath of God against sin.
Well, I guess we are not sitting in the same pew. I think that these viewpoints are not wacko at all.
Lets look at Jude first.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Here you can see where one can come to the conculsion that They were fallen angels. They went after strange flesh.
Not nesessarily... Verse 6 ends before verse 7. As v7 explains the sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, v6 explains the sins of the angels who rebelled with Satan. It is not nesessary to link the 'strange flesh' comment to both items, no more than it is to claim that v8 is also representative of the sins of the angels in v6. They left their "first estate", that is they left their vocation with God and sought the leadership of the devil.
Using Matt 22:30 to prove that angels do not co-mingle does not work because fallen angels are not the same as angels in heaven.
The fallen angels were angels in heaven at one time... therefore the Matt 22:30 should still apply. Plus, it seems odd that apparently angels waited till Noah's time to rebel whereas most timelines have the rebellion in heaven occuring prior to even the garden.
As to the book of Job, we have no idea who the author is and therefore using the terminology to suggest that the 'sons of God' are identical to those in Genesis is a difficult position to maintain. There are many grammatical anomolies within the book of Job that make such a connection tenuous, but I will grant that the 'sons of God' in Job are indeed angels, but there is no mention of fallen angels apart from Satan in Job, nor any mention of fallen angels mating with human beings.
Calvin comments here, as an example of someone with whom I agree and had studied the Scriptures much more than I.
"Moses, having enumerated in order, ten patriarchs, with whom the worship of God remained pure, now relates, that their families also were corrupted...
That this may be the more apparent, the principle is to be kept in memory, that the world was then as if divided into two parts; because the family of Seth cherished the pure and lawful worship of Good, from which the rest had fallen. Now, although all mankind had been formed for the worship of God, and therefore sincere religion ought everywhere to have reigned; yet since the greater part had prostituted itself, either to an entire contempt of God, or to depraved superstitions; it was fitting that the small portion which God had adopted, by special privilege, to himself, should remain separate from others. It was, therefore, base ingratitude in the posterity of Seth, to mingle themselves with the children of Cain, and with other profane races; because they voluntarily deprived themselves of the inestimable grace of God. For it was an intolerable profanation, to pervert, and to confound, the order appointed by God. It seems at first sight frivolous, that the sons of God should be so severely condemned, for having chosen for themselves beautiful wives from the daughters of men...
That ancient figment, concerning the intercourse of angels with women, is abundantly refuted by its own absurdity; and it is surprising that learned men should formerly have been fascinated by ravings so gross and prodigious...
Should any one object, that they who had shamefully departed from the faith, and the obedience which God required, were unworthy to be accounted the sons of God; the answer is easy, that the honor is not ascribed to them, but to the grace of God, which had hitherto been conspicuous in their families. For when Scripture speaks of the sons of God, sometimes it has respect to eternal election, which extends only to the lawful heirs; sometimes to external vocations according to which many wolves are within the fold; and thought in fact, they are strangers, yet they obtain the name of sons, until the Lord shall disown them. Yea, even by giving them a title so honorable, Moses reproves their ingratitude, because, leaving their heavenly Father, they prostituted themselves as deserters."
Calvin - Commentary on Genesis
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom01.titlepage.html
That is hard to believe IMHO being that there are several refferances to inter marriage all through scripture. What does make sense is that Satan and his angels co-mingled with the human race so that the promised seed would be corrupted. THis is a wicked wicked thing and would justify God destroying all the strange flesh that inhabitated the earth at that time.
I think this is, at best, speculation. God's wrath was because of sin, as Scripture states, not because of the
'strange flesh'. Finally, there is no indication that the Nephilum were in anyway the result of an angel-human hybrid. Time and again in Gen 6 is declared the wickedness of
men as opposed to the angels, when God displays His wrath it is against
men not against angels.
As to the verses you mentioned:
Isa 1:9
Unless the LORD of hosts
Had left us a few survivors,
We would be like Sodom,
We would be like Gomorrah.
Isa 51:2
"Look to Abraham your father
And to Sarah who gave birth to you in pain;
When he was but one I called him,
Then I blessed him and multiplied him."
Is 53:10
But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
Isa 54:1-3
"Shout for joy, O barren one, you who have borne no child;
Break forth into joyful shouting and cry aloud, you who have not travailed; For the sons of the desolate one will be more numerous
Than the sons of the married woman," says the LORD.
Enlarge the place of your tent; Stretch out the curtains of your dwellings, spare not; Lengthen your cords And strengthen your pegs. For you will spread abroad to the right and to the left and your descendants will possess nations and will resettle the desolate cities.
Jer 31:27
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and with the seed of beast.
Ezra 9:2
"For they have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has intermingled with the peoples of the lands; indeed, the hands of the princes and the rulers have been foremost in this unfaithfulness."
Psalm 106:35-38
But they mingled with the nations
And learned their practices,
And served their idols,
Which became a snare to them.
They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons,
And shed innocent blood,
The blood of their sons and their daughters,
Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan;
And the land was polluted with the blood.
Rom 9:29
And just as Isaiah foretold,
"UNLESS THE LORD OF SABAOTH HAD LEFT TO US A POSTERITY,
WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE RESEMBLED GOMORRAH."
Gal 3:16
Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed He does not say, "And to seeds," as referring to many, but rather to one, "And to your seed," that is, Christ. 17What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise. 19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
Dan 4:32
and you will be driven away from mankind, and your dwelling place will be with the beasts of the field You will be given grass to eat like cattle, and seven periods of time will pass over you until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.
Isa 44:33
'For I will pour out water on the thirsty land
And streams on the dry ground;
I will pour out My Spirit on your offspring
And My blessing on your descendants;
2 Tim 2:8
Remember Jesus Christ, risen from the dead, descendant of David, according to my gospel,
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. There is no indication, whatsoever, in any of these verses that "Satan attempted to corrupt the promised seed of God" by intermingling demons with men. Surely there is mention of the "Seed" who is Christ, and those who by faith in Christ become children of Abraham, but there is nothing in any of these verses that in anyway suggests that demons attempted to subvert the plan of God.
Remember, it is those of faith who are "children of God" and "sons of God", it has absolutely nothing to do with natural lineage. Christ, the God/Man, is not tainted by sin... not because His forefathers thru Mary were somehow sinless, or because His line was not tainted by demons, but because of the predetermined plan of God and the work of the Holy Spirit to cause Mary to conceive. It wasn't as if God relied on some natural lineage to produce Christ.
In fact, Galatians 3 is a perfect place to explain this. The seed of Eve, and thus the Seed promised to Abraham was/is Christ. No one else is therefore the "seed" except Him and Him alone. The only way there are other "seeds" in the line is by faith in Christ. Isaac even was only a true son of Abraham as a result of God's miracle work to open Sarah's womb. Likewise all of us become children of Abraham (and thus of God) by the miracle work of God in our hearts to regenerate us unto faith in His Son, and by that we are
adopted into His family. Everyone who has ever been a part of God's family has had to be adopted into it by faith in Christ.
The Ezra 9 passage explains that God intended for His people that they not intermingle with the other
races upon the Earth, not because they were somehow tainted by demon-seed but because they were unbelievers!
If however you feel these verses do support your position, I respectfully ask that you explain how.
It suprises me that some really good folks teach this, and I just can't believe it. A lot of this comes from a wacky (IMO) view of some verses in 1 Peter.
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