Krelian
Junior Member
Yes, what you vicar told you could be helpful to you and very problematic in the way you just said, beamish.
If you reject one book then it opens the door to rejecting any book of the Bible.
You can already see where I stand on the orthodox canon ("credo ut intelligam"), but it wasn't always like that.
I don't see the point of 2nd and 3rd John, I almost despise the last story in Judges, and Esther, I'd rather never read (it is easier to read with the verses in the Apocrypha which were severed from the official Hebrew somehow).
But I'm trying to see the reason why they were canonized.
...In fact, I've actually gone on to accept the canonicity of certain other books too, so my job is twice as difficult than those using a typical Protestant Bible (Hey, do Anglican Bibles include the Apocrypha?).
*shrug*
That's exactly what I wanted to say as soon as you refered to the "sexism of Christianity".
Modern critics tend to see this as sine qua non of Christianity for some reason.
Christianity is only sexist to a culture which thinks humility is an anachronism.
In fact, Christianity never really requires anything more of women than it does men if you balance out what it lays on women with what it lays on men.
But we live in a culture in which humility and submission to authorities of any kind are seen as weakness of mind or "undevelopedness", so to it, when the Bible would dare to say "honour all men" we tend to get a little irritated.
But sexism isn't your primary focus, I know.
You're struggle, as I see it is between two possibilities.
1. You want to accept some truths taught in the Bible.
2. You want to know that the source you got those tuths from isn't lying to you.
The way I see it is that there are three ways to handle that.
1. You can accept the whole Bible as canon and try to figure out why afterward ("credo ut intelligam").
2. You continue to see the Bible's authority as subjective until you can be convinced it is not.
3. You reject the whole damned thing and swear off it.
A lot of what you are saying reminds me of the things I used to say.
I wish I knew what changed my mind, but like every change in my life it was too gradual for me to notice it.
If I knew, I could probably have helped you better...oh well.
In any case, keep on reading.
It's right to learn from everything and at all times.
If you reject one book then it opens the door to rejecting any book of the Bible.
You can already see where I stand on the orthodox canon ("credo ut intelligam"), but it wasn't always like that.
I don't see the point of 2nd and 3rd John, I almost despise the last story in Judges, and Esther, I'd rather never read (it is easier to read with the verses in the Apocrypha which were severed from the official Hebrew somehow).
But I'm trying to see the reason why they were canonized.
...In fact, I've actually gone on to accept the canonicity of certain other books too, so my job is twice as difficult than those using a typical Protestant Bible (Hey, do Anglican Bibles include the Apocrypha?).
*shrug*
That's exactly what I wanted to say as soon as you refered to the "sexism of Christianity".
Modern critics tend to see this as sine qua non of Christianity for some reason.
Christianity is only sexist to a culture which thinks humility is an anachronism.
In fact, Christianity never really requires anything more of women than it does men if you balance out what it lays on women with what it lays on men.
But we live in a culture in which humility and submission to authorities of any kind are seen as weakness of mind or "undevelopedness", so to it, when the Bible would dare to say "honour all men" we tend to get a little irritated.
But sexism isn't your primary focus, I know.
You're struggle, as I see it is between two possibilities.
1. You want to accept some truths taught in the Bible.
2. You want to know that the source you got those tuths from isn't lying to you.
The way I see it is that there are three ways to handle that.
1. You can accept the whole Bible as canon and try to figure out why afterward ("credo ut intelligam").
2. You continue to see the Bible's authority as subjective until you can be convinced it is not.
3. You reject the whole damned thing and swear off it.
A lot of what you are saying reminds me of the things I used to say.
I wish I knew what changed my mind, but like every change in my life it was too gradual for me to notice it.
If I knew, I could probably have helped you better...oh well.
In any case, keep on reading.
It's right to learn from everything and at all times.
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