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In Christianity truth is not a philosophical concept nor is it a theory, a teaching, or a system; but rather, it is the living theanthropic hypostasis - the historical Jesus Christ. Before Christ men could only conjecture about the Truth since they did not possess it. With Christ as the incarnate divine Logos the eternally complete divine Truth enters into the world. For this reason the Gospel says: 'Truth came by Jesus Christ'
- Justin Popovich
 
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In Christianity truth is not a philosophical concept nor is it a theory, a teaching, or a system; but rather, it is the living theanthropic hypostasis - the historical Jesus Christ. Before Christ men could only conjecture about the Truth since they did not possess it. With Christ as the incarnate divine Logos the eternally complete divine Truth enters into the world. For this reason the Gospel says: 'Truth came by Jesus Christ'
- Justin Popovich
so if i say 1+ 1 + 1 =3 is truth i'm really saying 1 + 1 + 1 = 3 is Jesus Christ. or if i say what you say is true, I'm really saying what you say is Jesus Christ. or if someone says "the truth of the matter is that you are wrong." that person is really saying "" the Jesus christ of the matter is that you are wrong." you have gone into the realm of the absurd with this one.
 
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I encourage you that if you really want to know why God is the true God, then read the bible. No amount of discussion is going to prove to you anything, until you allow yourself to sit down and get to reading His word. Go ahead and read the Tanakh (the Torah-which are the first five books of Moses are included in the Tanakh--it is our Old Testament) and then go ahead and read the New Testament.

If you seek, then you will find. If you have it in your heart to seek and know, then go ahead and read it with an open and pure heart.
sure but I could read the Bhagvadgita and possibly have the same feeling, or the Qur'an or the Tao Te Ching, do you see my point yet?
 
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sure but I could read the Bhagvadgita and possibly have the same feeling, or the Qur'an or the Tao Te Ching, do you see my point yet?

But the question is, have you read the Bhagvadgita, or the Qur'an or the Tao Te Ching to know if you get the same feelings from each?

If you sit there and say, "hey, what's so great about God of the bible" and then form an opinion about God of the bible but yet never read it for yourself, and then tell yourself there is no need because I can read the other books and get the same feeling, the question becomes, are you seeking or do you have an answer that best fits you at the moment?

Before you compare all the other text to each other, try reading them first and them form an opinion. I have read the bible, I have read the Tanakh (which technically I say I have because it is the Old Testament) and I have read some parts of the Qu'ran, and while I get the same things from the Bible and the Tanakh, I do not however get the same messages from the Qu'ran.

If you ask a question but yet never truly search for the answer, then all you are doing is whining. If you have searched for the answer and at the end those are your conclusions, then I'm truly sorry I don't know what to say to you.
 
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But the question is, have you read the Bhagvadgita, or the Qur'an or the Tao Te Ching to know if you get the same feelings from each?
To be honest, that's a horrible reason to decide if something is true or not.

You should listen to what the Bible says, instead of unBiblically telling people to "follow their feelings."

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? -Jer. 17:9


 
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To be honest, that's a horrible reason to decide if something is true or not.

You should listen to what the Bible says, instead of unBiblically telling people to "follow their feelings."

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? -Jer. 17:9



No, I am not saying for him to read it and see if he gets the same feeling, I'm advising him to read it to see if the messages are the same. He means that if he read the religious text the feelings will be the same and I advise him to see if that is true. If he won't read the bible, then all he would ever think about the bible and religious books is that "they are all the same" but I believe the content of scripture will completely stand out when compared to all but he has to see that on his own.

If the original poster do not listen to the bible and have yet to read it, quoting a verse won't help him. He needs to want to search for God.
 
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I was saying that while the Bible is imperfect, it is still the best tool to live by.

Maybe my point was lost in translation?

I get angry because of Christians being too brainwashed to accept that the Bible doesn't have to be perfect for God to be perfect.
I say the verses you quoted are personifications and not literal. I'm not brainwashed cause I believe a verse contains personifications. your point was that you got mad cause I said personification.
 
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Christians have been brainwashed with the doctrine of Biblical infallibilty since the council of Nicea. That is the brainwashing I am referring to.

The frustration I have is that you have to make excuses for it's inherent fallibility such as defining portions as literal, personify, metaphorical, etc. There is no need to makes these excuses if you just accept it's fallibilty.

Non-believers try to say God doesn't exist and then back it up by saying the Bible has errors. That entire argument becomes a farce if you ignore the man made concept of Biblical infallibility.

The Bible doesn't have to be perfect for God to be real and perfect himself. Everyone knows that the Bible is just the word of God written down by inspired men.
How does something being personified, metaphorical, figurative, allegorical and parables prove that it is fallible? All of those requires you to look at the overall message and see if the message is true.

Whereas something literal is telling you something had happen the way it is explained (or sometimes it might not be the way we perceive it happen, and sometimes we have other scriptures to bear that out).
 
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Christians have been brainwashed with the doctrine of Biblical infallibilty since the council of Nicea. That is the brainwashing I am referring to.

The frustration I have is that you have to make excuses for it's inherent fallibility such as defining portions as literal, personify, metaphorical, etc. There is no need to makes these excuses if you just accept it's fallibilty.

The NT was written in koine greek which is just common greek. To say that it all must be taken literally and there are no figures of speech in it is just as perposterous as to say that common every day english that we speak has no figures of speech in it and everything we say is literal. I gave you a sound reason why 'god's face' has to be a personification. Beause God is a spirit, and spirits don't have flesh and bones according to scirpture, therefore, since a face is flesh, a spirit doesn't have a face. Therefore, the face of god has to be a personification. your rebutal was that you got infuriated cause i didn't interpret it literally like you do. and you presumed it was a contradiction, and I'm brainwashed and your not cause I don't believe like you do so therefore it is a contradiction, cause you ewhaddix presumed it was, so it must be right? No. I have a sound reason, you have no reason . your reason is everything's literal, nothing in the bible is figurative, which is ludicrous. the bible says to pluck your eyes out if they offend you, and that's literal right?

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Non-believers try to say God doesn't exist and then back it up by saying the Bible has errors. That entire argument becomes a farce if you ignore the man made concept of Biblical infallibility.
It becomes a farce if you interpret the bible correctly and shnow htem there are no errors in the b ible. the only errors that exist are man made ones, and there are numerous ones of those in there. people, christians, who say 3 is one and 3 is one is no contradiction are the ones fueling the belief amongst non chritians that the bible is full of errors,.
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The Bible doesn't have to be perfect for God to be real and perfect himself. Everyone knows that the Bible is just the word of God written down by inspired men.

2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Job 36:4 For truly my words shall not be false: he that is perfect in knowledge is with thee.

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

the word of g od is god breathed. It didn't come by the will of man.

(Rotherham) 2 Timothy 3:16 Every scripture, [is] God-breathed, and profitable--unto teaching, unto conviction, unto correction, unto the discipline that is in righteousness,--

God's word is not false, and if it it was imperfect as you say, then it would be false. god doesn't lie, man does.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

If you believe these scriptures and others then you must believe the word is inerrant, (before man mucked it up that is). IF the bible contadicts itself, then the bible or god's word is untrustworthy, cause you can never be sure that anything in it is true or not. your bible is like a model t you can't depend on it to get you across the country,and you can't depend on your bible to save you. My bible is far above and beyond the most reliable modern automobile in the world. you can depend on that automobile to get you across the country, and you can depend on gods' unfailing word to save you from eternal damnation by faith. without faith it is impossible to please god and without the word of god it is impossible to have faith, and how can you have faith in the word if you believe it is full of errors and unrealiable as you do? you can't.

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. it's the word of God, not the word of Paul, or Peter, or Jerimiah, or Isaiah.

Im taking my stand on the word of god that cannot fail.
 
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We will have to just agree to disagree on this one. I believe God is perfect in every way. But I don't believe the Bible (which was written by men) is perfect.
Anyone that has studied the Greek texts knows the problem of Variances in them.

When I started translating Revelation, it took me a month just to harmonize the Greek texts to be able to even start translating it!

You can see my translation of Revelation Chapt 1 here along with the variances in the Greek texts.

Christian Forums - View Single Post - Revelation Chapter 1 Verses
Revelation Chapter 1 Verses

These are also good sites concerning the Greek texts that Bible versions use :wave::wave:

http://www.cob-net.org/compare_greektext.htm
Understanding Greek Texts

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt
Parallel Greek New Testament Index
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes... I want to start off by saying that I'm not here to deconvert anybody, insult anybodys religious beliefs, or imply disrespect. So my question is, what makes the god of the Christian bible anymore significant/real than the rest of the gods still worshipped today? Jews claim that the Torah is proof of the same god that Christians believe in yet is quite different on the important aspects. Muslims believe Allah is the true god and say that the Qur'an is proof of such. The Hindus have various scriptures that they provide as proof of their god, Lord Krishna, including the Bhagvadgita, the 5 Vedas, the Ramayana and more. Taoists also have various scriptures to prove their various gods including Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi and, Daozang. So to reiterate, I am asking what makes the bible more true than the rest of the religious scriptures still followed today?


Wrong forum... this is Christians only, reason is simply to separate internal and external debate.

Real Christianity is about becoming new creatures through a rebirth transformation, being reborn as children of God through the spirit into Sons of the Living God in the Holy Spirit, or Holy Ghost of Jesus, who is God incarnate.

So, we speak in language like, Jesus telling the Roman authorities that He is a king 'but not of this world', and the "Kingdom of Heaven is within and among you but does not come by careful observation".

While the outer face is "just another religion", that is not the inner truth. Are there many false Christians? Yes, and that too, is by design.

(Though all are guilty for their own sins for their lack of faith. If God asked you to "do something" to be saved you might have an excuse, as it is God simply asks for you to believe to be saved.)
 
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Either God spoke through the OT and NT prophets or he spoke through buddah, or hare krishna, or rev. moon, or whoever But God didn't speak though all of them and contradict himself like we humans often do.
There is another posibility in which he inspired all of them but none of them got it quite right.
 
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every forum I post in is the wrong forum to post in for what I'm posting because apparently you guys don't wanna hear what I have to post so I'm just gonna stop posting.

We don't make the rules. Those in charge of this site have deemed the Theology section a Christian only section.
But many of us have responded to you so evidently we heard you.
 
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soul searcher said, There is another posibility in which he inspired all of them but none of them got it quite right.

soul searcher you hit the nail on the head with that one. Jesus taught all the same thing. it is mankinds misunderstandings that caused all the different religions we have in the world today.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes... I want to start off by saying that I'm not here to deconvert anybody, insult anybodys religious beliefs, or imply disrespect. So my question is, what makes the god of the Christian bible anymore significant/real than the rest of the gods still worshipped today? Jews claim that the Torah is proof of the same god that Christians believe in yet is quite different on the important aspects. Muslims believe Allah is the true god and say that the Qur'an is proof of such. The Hindus have various scriptures that they provide as proof of their god, Lord Krishna, including the Bhagvadgita, the 5 Vedas, the Ramayana and more. Taoists also have various scriptures to prove their various gods including Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi and, Daozang. So to reiterate, I am asking what makes the bible more true than the rest of the religious scriptures still followed today?
Historical veracity, simply enough.
 
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every forum I post in is the wrong forum to post in for what I'm posting because apparently you guys don't wanna hear what I have to post so I'm just gonna stop posting.

Atheist, you may post directly to me through my email if you want to. I am interested in discussing whatever you want to. Unlike some, I belive everyone should be heard.
 
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I am asking what makes the bible more true than the rest of the religious scriptures still followed today?

Nothing. Jesus taught all the same. The reason God has different word than the word God is becuase they do not speak english. God is the english word we use. The speak their own language. We each speak our own language.
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this but here goes... I want to start off by saying that I'm not here to deconvert anybody, insult anybodys religious beliefs, or imply disrespect. So my question is, what makes the god of the Christian bible anymore significant/real than the rest of the gods still worshipped today? Jews claim that the Torah is proof of the same god that Christians believe in yet is quite different on the important aspects. Muslims believe Allah is the true god and say that the Qur'an is proof of such. The Hindus have various scriptures that they provide as proof of their god, Lord Krishna, including the Bhagvadgita, the 5 Vedas, the Ramayana and more. Taoists also have various scriptures to prove their various gods including Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi and, Daozang. So to reiterate, I am asking what makes the bible more true than the rest of the religious scriptures still followed today?

There is one truth and a multitude of lies. Now it's just a matter of elimination.
 
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