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Receding waters from a global flood would wash away much of this evidence. Even small local floods do this.
My galactic traveler has toured the entire universe and found no life, or biology. What is 'natural' on earth is so unique in the universe as to be quite 'un'natural in the greater context.
What Makes Creationism a Valid Scientific Alternative?
God.
God bless you,
In Christ, Ted
Receding waters from a global flood would wash away much of this evidence. Even small local floods do this.
While you may include God in everything science leaves him out of everything.
verysincere said:I'm a Bible-affirming Christian but I don't understand the question and your answer. I certainly affirm God as Creator but my reasons are not scientific. If "creationism" is referring to "Young Earth Creationism", I certainly can't make a case for it from scientific evidence or from any scriptural evidence. And you can't use the scientific method to make "creationism" a scientific theory or even "to prove God." So how is creationism a SCIENTIFIC alternative. It makes no sense---unless you decide to change the definition of science. Is that your intention or meaning?
No, no they don't. They wash away what was there already, leaving behind very distinctive traces of a flood. They don't wash away their own evidence - that makes no sense.Receding waters from a global flood would wash away much of this evidence. Even small local floods do this.
By believing what He says about it (He says that he created diseases for the purpose of inflicting man).
Yup. Pretty good, eh?
Receding waters from a global flood would wash away much of this evidence. Even small local floods do this.
My galactic traveler has toured the entire universe and found no life, or biology. What is 'natural' on earth is so unique in the universe as to be quite 'un'natural in the greater context.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/worldwide-flood-evidence
When the Bible refers to a worldwide Flood in Genesis 7-8, that's exactly what it means. Not local, not metaphorical, not some crazy dream--the waters covered the whole earth. Don't just take our word for it, though. Take a look at the evidence right beneath your feet.
Evidence 1Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.
Focus in: High & Dry Sea Creatures
Evidence 2 Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil "graveyards" and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.
Focus in: The World's a Graveyard
Evidence 3 Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents--even between continents--and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.
Focus in: Transcontinental Rock Layers
Evidence 4 Sediment transported long distances
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for "300 million years" water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global Flood.
Focus in: Sand Transported Cross Country
Evidence 5 Rapid or no erosion between strata
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any "missing" millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon--the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.
Focus in: No Slow and Gradual Erosion
Evidence 6 Many strata laid down in rapid succession
Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over "480 million years," while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.
Focus in: Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
What now?
The Bible's history is reliable throughout--from the creation of man from the dust of the ground to the worldwide Flood to the coming of Jesus Christ. But just reading the evidence isn't enough. The message of salvation founded in the Bible's history is also true, and, God wants us to accept the gift of salvation He freely offers us.
The evidence is real. God has revealed Himself to us in His Word and in His creation (Romans 1:20).
Trogool said:Yeah, so we all know that answers in genesis is a lying hoax website. How about you try using actual science instead of stuff AiG made up?
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Oh, so your traveler is really a supernatural ghost that knows nothing about biology?
Unnatural is not a synonym for rare. Do us a favor and buy a thesaurus.
No, they don't.They may wash away what was there before, but they leave evidence all by their own.
Geology has an explanation for this: plate tectonics. In the case of the Himalaya, those rocks were originally at sea level, then were uplifted as India collided with Asia. Actually, the Himalaya are a great example because we can actively measure the movement of India relative to Asia and the upward motion of the mountains using GPS.Evidence 1Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.
Focus in: High & Dry Sea Creatures
Are all of these catastrophic events in the same geologic layers? No. And why do we not see any modern species in these catastrophic deposits? No geologist will deny the fact that catastrophic events have occurred in the past - the problem comes when people attempt to relate them to a single event. Catastrophic deposits are in no way evidence for a global flood.Evidence 2 Rapid burial of plants and animals
We find extensive fossil "graveyards" and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.
Focus in: The World's a Graveyard
No one argues that these layers are widespread. However, while they are widespread across North America, I would expect them to be present all over the world if there truly had been a global flood. This is not the case. They also could not have been deposited rapidly. For example, the Redwall Limestone was deposited primarily by chemical processes - the precipitation of calcium carbonate from seawater, which is a very slow process. Moreover, it shows evidence of karst topography, which is formed when a solid limestone body is exposed to the surface, forming large cave complexes as groundwater dissolves the rock (i.e. Mammoth Cave in Kentucky). This shows that, not only was the Redwall deposited slowly, it also was solidified and exposed to the surface for thousands to millions of years before being re-buried. The Coconino argument is silly as well - we see animal tracks and raindrop impressions on the dune surfaces. Unless you can find me tarantulas and lizards that can walk underwater with a normal gait and a place where it rains underwater, the argument that it was formed by water is completely invalid.Evidence 3 Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents--even between continents--and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.
Focus in: Transcontinental Rock Layers
Sand can be transported by rivers and wind. Ripples marks are also formed on wind-blown dunes. See above for reasons why the Coconino was not deposited underwater.Evidence 4 Sediment transported long distances
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for "300 million years" water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global Flood.
Focus in: Sand Transported Cross Country
No, flat boundaries do not indicate continuous deposition. If deposition were continuous, different types of rocks would grade gradually into each other. In fact, sharp boundaries are indicators of erosion.Evidence 5 Rapid or no erosion between strata
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any "missing" millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon--the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.
Focus in: No Slow and Gradual Erosion
The behavior of rocks is highly dependent on several factors. If force is applied gradually over time, a rock can bend without breaking. If the rock has been heated to a higher temperature, it can bend without breaking. High pressures can contain a body of rock and prevent it from fracturing. If force is applied rapidly at atmospheric conditions, then yes, it will break rather than bend. Take glass as an example - if you hit it with a hammer, it will break, but if you applied force slowly and steadily over a long period of time, it would gradually deform, especially if heated. So it is indeed possible for solid rocks to deform without fracturing.Evidence 6 Many strata laid down in rapid succession
Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over "480 million years," while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.
Focus in: Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
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