What Makes Bush Evil?

[Groovy]

I have heard these statements a lot recently.

"I can not vote for either of these two evils"

"Both are evil, so I can not vote"

"I will vote for Bush, he is the lesser of the two evils"

"As evil as Bush is, he is not as evil as Kerry"

"Either way, we are screwed"

"To vote for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil"

What makes Bush evil?

√Groovy

 

[kimber1]

nothing in my book *kim, who is proudly voting for bush*

 

[Markh]

1)his economic policy
2)his foriegn policy
3) his environmental policy

you'll find very little under those headings which is actually Catholic.

You Americans should actually realise for a second that Bush Republicanism and Orthodox Catholicism are very different things.

The only thing Bush has going for himself which Catholics like is his Abortion policies really.

and even that is completely Catholic. He isn't 100% Catholic even on the issue which makes him popular with Catholics.

 

[Dream]

1)his economic policy

What is evil about his economic policy?

 

[Markh]

it is too individualistic and perpetuates materialist attitudes which in turn destroy the family.

he also lacks a real option for the poor, his economic policies are not geared to benefit the poor at the expense of the rich- and they should be.

I believe he is against a minimum wage which is against the catechism which demands a just wage for all.

 

[Dream]

it is too individualistic and perpetuates materialist attitudes which in turn destroy the family.

I have no idea what that meant.

he also lacks a real option for the poor, his economic policies are not geared to benefit the poor at the expense of the rich- and they should be.

Under his Bush's tax cuts, there are millions of lower income familes who don't have to pay anything in Federal income tax. He has increased Federal financial aid from $44.6 billion to $71.6 billion. His tax cuts has increased the child tax credit to $1000 a child. An additional $100 million dollars was given to help lower income farm households. All of this has helped the lower income families and is obvious with the home ownership rate being 69.2%, the highest it's been ever.

I believe he is against a minimum wage which is against the catechism which demands a just wage for all.

He is against raising the minimum wage, there is a huge difference.

Before you start calling Bush's policies "evil," I suggest you should actually get some facts to back up what you are saying.

 

[Paul S]

he also lacks a real option for the poor, his economic policies are not geared to benefit the poor at the expense of the rich- and they should be.

Why does benefitting the poor have to be at the expense of the rich? If a poor family makes $5000 more a year, that doesn't mean someone else has to make $5000 less. I'm sure they'd be happy to have the extra money regardless of whether Bill Gates makes $1 million or $1 billion. While we should help the poor, it isn't always rich vs. poor.

Who qualifies as "rich", anyway? $100,000 a year? $250,000? $1 million? Most of them worked very hard for their money, and they'll end up sharing much of it through the people they employ.

I believe he is against a minimum wage which is against the catechism which demands a just wage for all.

Who says the minimum wage is just? Most minimum-wage jobs are entry-level, for people to start at and work up from. There's been a lot of studies that the minimum wage actually hurts the poor, because the lowest-paid employees are now having to be paid more than their job is worth to the employer, so they lose their jobs. The Catechism says a just wage; it doesn't specify how much that is.

 

[InnerPhyre]

By saying that I'm voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't mean that both candidates are actually evil people. I don't pretend to know the state of the souls of either candidate. I say the lesser of two evils because Bush isn't much of a conservative, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for Kerry, an outright socialist. Government expansion and spending is out of control under Bush's watch. He supports the death penalty. He won't do a thing about the mexican border problem. He enacted that ridiculous prescription entitlement program and signed the campaign finance bill that blatently violates the first amendment. The patriot act is also a cause for concern. So these things make Bush a lousey candidate in my eyes. Not an evil man though. A better description would be "voting for the least awful candidate."

 

[Markh]

American Catholics have been somehow been converted to protestant economics.

Such a shame.

all Catholics used to profess social based economic policies rather than individual based.

 

[ufonium2]

Socialism doesn't work. The little European countries that are held up as poster children for socialism aren't even socialist; they are welfare states. Canada has socialized healthcare, yet Canadians come to America and pay for medical treatment out of pocket so they've got a chance of getting treatment before they die.

I'd like to see a cite of Bush saying he wants to abolish the minimum wage. I believe you mean he's against raising minimum wage to a "living wage." I am too, because if you raise the minimum wage to $9/hr or whatever craziness they're talking about, a kid who runs the fryer at McDonald's will make as much as a social worker or teacher's aide. How are we supposed to convince someone that it's good to go to college and get a degree if they can make just as much being a greeter at Wal-Mart with no skills and no education?

There's nothing inherently noble about the poor, and nothing inherently evil about the rich. We don't live in a Dickens novel.

 

[Dream]

American Catholics have been somehow been converted to protestant economics.

Such a shame.

all Catholics used to profess social based economic policies rather than individual based.

I don't care what Catholics views on economics were previously. It is clear today that socialism just doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but has failed time and time again. Lower income people of the US are far better off than pretty much anybody in the Soviet Union.

 

[Dream]

By saying that I'm voting for the lesser of two evils doesn't mean that both candidates are actually evil people. I don't pretend to know the state of the souls of either candidate. I say the lesser of two evils because Bush isn't much of a conservative, but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for Kerry, an outright socialist. Government expansion and spending is out of control under Bush's watch. He supports the death penalty. He won't do a thing about the mexican border problem. He enacted that ridiculous prescription entitlement program and signed the campaign finance bill that blatently violates the first amendment. The patriot act is also a cause for concern. So these things make Bush a lousey candidate in my eyes. Not an evil man though. A better description would be "voting for the least awful candidate."

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except the Patriot Act. It's really not like the media makes it out to be. Diane Feinstein, the Democrat Senator from California, told the ACLU to find where the Patriot Act was in violation of the Constitution. They couldn't find anything, and surprisingly, she is now one of the strongest supporters of the Patriot Act. Did you know that if the Patriot Act wasn't enacted, the Brooklyn Bridge would have been destroyed by terrorists?

I completly agree with the Mexican border problem and the Campaign Finance Reform.

 

[Roald]

Did you know that if the Patriot Act wasn't enacted, the Brooklyn Bridge would have been destroyed by terrorists?.

You have got to show me where you get this stuff. I would love to read this on a regular basis. Perhaps I could start off each day with one of these gems.

 

[Roald]

I don't care what Catholics views on economics were previously. It is clear today that socialism just doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but has failed time and time again. Lower income people of the US are far better off than pretty much anybody in the Soviet Union.

Just a quick clarification: Communism is not the same as socialism, nor is socialism the same as what the Democrats are promoting.

 

[Roald]

I have heard these statements a lot recently.

"I can not vote for either of these two evils"

"Both are evil, so I can not vote"

"I will vote for Bush, he is the lesser of the two evils"

"As evil as Bush is, he is not as evil as Kerry"

"Either way, we are screwed"

"To vote for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil"

What makes Bush evil?

√Groovy

Clearly, people cannot mean that Bush is evil; just as they do not mean that Kerry is evil. Abortion is evil, and neither candidate wants to outlaw abortion completely, so some refer to both candidates as "evil". Abortion is just one example.

 

[Dream]

You have got to show me where you get this stuff. I would love to read this on a regular basis. Perhaps I could start off each day with one of these gems.

I'm not sure if that was meant to be sarcastic or not, but here's a statement from the US Department of Justice: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/ins/pressrelease/antiterror/20030903.pdf. Or, if you want a more detalied story, go to http://www.njrtl.org/bushsave.php. (The second link is from Dick Morris: a biased, but a reliable source)

 

[Roald]

I'm not sure if that was meant to be sarcastic or not

You have to admit that it sounds pretty good.

 

[Dream]

You have to admit that it sounds pretty good.

What sounds good? I'm confused.

 

[Roald]

What sounds good? I'm confused.

The part about the Brooklyn Bridge. Come to think of it, just the phrase "Brooklyn Bridge" is kinda funny.

 

[Dream]

The part about the Brooklyn Bridge. Come to think of it, just the phrase "Brooklyn Bridge" is kinda funny.

Um, ok.