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what Law did Jesus replace?

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According to the prophet Jeremiah Jesus is "The Lord our Righteousness" He indwells so since He abides in me so does life .


Hmm riddle me this riddle me that .

I no longer sin but the sin within me sins

Romans 7

20Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God's law; 23but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. 24What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?

And I can do all things Through Christ who Strengthens me

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

And without Jesus i can do nothing

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

And all good things come from God .


James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

And in Jesus i am a New Creation and the old is gone and the new has come .

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!

then there are two .


All i know is i am experiencing what Paul is describing in His letters . but you appear to not be from your darkened understanding on the matter .

So Riddle me this Riddle Me that ..

If i Do not sin . and the law of sin . sins within me .

And I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me

and can do nothing without Jesus

if the old self is dead . but still clings on like rigor mortis

and i am a new creation

Then who am i?

and why are you addressing someone who is dead?
 
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If you are going to refute the word of GOD with myths and not sound doctrin we honestly have nothing to discuss.

Ditto .

i mean earning a gift? how mythical is that?
 
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so it is with God who would like to be known to us in this age as a Loving Father and a loving Husband to which we will be bride.

The bride:

Revelations 21:9-10 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb" And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from GOD.

Revelations 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.
 
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Ditto .

i mean earning a gift? how mythical is that?

I am really amazed by your conduct Michael, one who starts a thread asking if debating is Christ Like, with out asking himself the same question and going about in debate without playing fair. What you do is childish and I personally wish not to be a part of it.

I can earn nothing but abiding in HIS Love by continueing in HIS WILL, which yes takes work.
 
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The bride is not revealed until after the judgment and resurrection .

so those who have been resurrected to be like God would not be sinning . everything else would be .

since i haven't been resurrected yet . this does not apply to me .
 
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I was just breaking the ice .

it wasn't a myth . i've experienced it first hand . people who use prayer in a way similar to mind control and use it as a threat when people are irritating them . the gospel does provide support for such an interpretation .

those who do not know Him and did miracles .

and those who were the other five virgins

were the tares .
 
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Zeena I am reading your replies and I notice you are once again leaning towards the idea that once the Holy Spirit is within you, you never sin again.

Your quote above is the true understanding that I believe. Although we are made new in Christ and shed the old self, we require time to gain the knowledge and learn to act from the spirit and not from self. For some people this may take longer than it took you to feed from the Spirit, and not old habits.

I went 45 years before even know who and what Jesus is and did for me. Some give their lives at a much earlier time. Point is, I acted without Jesus for along time, 45 years, and now I have made great gains, yet, I am not perfect, old responses still creep in. This is why I thank God for Jesus and his saving Grace, AMEN.

By not admitting still sin I would be LYING, God knows my heart, if I don't admit it here and I put myself up on a pedistol, I am sinning, I have raised myself, for I do not boast in myself, but I boast in the Lord.

For those who actually say they no longer sin, or won't at least admit that they still fall short of God's (not people's) perfection, wellllllll I just doubt it. Yet there are those on this forum who judge others because they are not afraid to open up about the sinful nature of which we all are born with and struggle with every day.

Lighthearted
 
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Amen! Awesome witness here and it is so very true. May GOD continue to bless you!

If we do not look to see the cause of the problem (ie. the sin in us by self examination based on the WORD of GOD) we will never know what GOD is fighting for within us, so that we can help HIM (speeding CHRIST's return) and not go against HIM (delaying CHRIST's return).

I'm not saying that it is even possible for us to ever become perfect in this life, and yes it is a daily working process. But it is growth in HIM that GOD seeks. Like John the baptist was saying in reference to his ministry when CHRIST began HIS, he said "I must decrease so that HE can increase". It is the same principal with our sinful nature, it must decrease so that the righteousness of GOD can increase in us. This is why CHRIST Jesus tells us that we must deny ourselves, take up our crosses and follow HIM.

I believe the Holy Spirit will not give up on a person until death (the first death that is). This is why Jesus and all the apostles have rebuked, admonished and encouraged us all to walk worthy of our Faith.

The righteousness of GOD is what is revealed from faith to faith, it is not our own righteousness.
 
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Michael,

Lable me stupid because I have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about here.

I do not play mind games ever, and especially when it comes to the eternity of the souls seeking GOD.

If it isn't plain out there in black and white I am stupified. I referenced you to Matthew chapter 7 and I have no idea what that portion of scripture has to do with anything of what you are saying.

Nat
 
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Alright .. i did lay it out there for you . but if the gap between our wavelengths is that broad . perhaps it is best to take a break for now .

I'll trust God to make up the difference over time .

in say, both of us .

bless .
 
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And if the believer doesn't magnify the law, but instead lives in antinomianism, giving free reign to sin and transgressing the law?

Romans 3:7-8
For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Ezekiel 33:9
Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Jude 1:22-23
And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Believe when quoting the above, any chance you've left the following out:-

Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Galations 4:1-2
Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.

Yes, Christ has come and given us an understanding, but Paul expressly says that some are hard of hearing and have grown dull;

Hebrews 5:11-14
Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Now tell me, ought the BABIES to be rovolting against the fathers?
Telling them, insistant, they have it all wrong?

1 Corinthians 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

James 3:16
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

 
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According to the prophet Jeremiah Jesus is "The Lord our Righteousness" He indwells so since He abides in me so does life .
Only if you are being infilled Michael Collum. The indwelling Holy Spirit comes upon you the moment you believe, but the inFILLing of the Holy Spirit comes only by believing what you've received, and walking in the Light of Him [Whom you've recieved].

Even as you quoted from John 15:5 earlier.
And what does the very next Verse say?

John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Now, unlike NatalieJan's theology, I do not believe this refers to Eternal Salvation, but rather, the Crowns of our Rejoycing, which we cast at our Saviours feet. for indeed, it is He Who does the Work of God in and through us, as we abide. And, in the latter case, our shame;

1 John 2:28
And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

1 Corinthians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire.

The Blood of Christ is sufficient to cleanse us of all unrighteousness.
But if a man abide not, he also will not reckon that which is said to be true about him, by the Spirit, Who reveals and shares all that's is Christ's.

1 Corinthainn 5:7-8
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Paul preached a pure gospel, one which can "save to the uttermost." This sinning religion so prevalent today is such as Paul warned of in 2 Cor. 11:4. It is indeed the preaching of "another gospel" and "another Jesus," whom Paul did not preach. Dear ones, if you have been a victim of another gospel, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power therof: from such turn away." That is Paul's warning to you. Flee from error and run to the Deliverer, that One who died to set us free from sin. You too, can obtain a real experience of salvation, and say as Paul did, that you are living holily, justly, and unblameably in this present world." -S. Mutch
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"Paul is specifically addressing those who know the law [Verse 1 of the 7nth of Romans]. What he is writing pertains to the life of the man under the law, and how that God, through the sacrifice of his Son, Jesus Christ, has given to man a greater power to live without sin. Like much of the rest of the Bible, Romans 7 is written to show man how to "go, and sin no more", not to tell him he can't." -Al Danks
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"Read now chapter 8:1-17, and then ask, Is the man described in 7:14-25, who yields in every instance to the assault of his passions and suffers them continually to triumph over law, conscience, and every other consideration, such a man, or the same man, as is described in 8:1-17? In this latter passage the man is described, 'who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.' Can this, then, be the same man who does walk after the flesh, and always does this, even when the voice of God and conscience is thundering in his ears, and his own internal moral nature is warning him against the course he pursues? Impossible. Light and darkness are not more diverse than these two cases." -Moses Stuart
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We can be certain that Paul was not describing his own Christian experience in Rom. 7:14-25, for we find that he said he was carnal, that he was sold under sin, that he had a carnal mind (which, he says later in chapter eight) was enmity against God, not subject to the law of God, and that neither indeed could be. He said that he was definitely in the flesh, and that he still had a sinful body, a body of death, or a sinful body condemned to death, which he cried out to be delivered from.

On the other hand, he told the Christians in chapters six and eight that they were not carnal, but spiritual; that they were no longer walking after the flesh; that they were not sold under sin, but gloriously delivered from the bondage of sin; that they did not have a carnal mind, but a spiritual mind; that they were not in the flesh, but in the Spirit; and that they did not have a sinful body, but that their body was dead. Now, if Paul was describing his own bondage to sin in Rom. 7:14-25, then he was describing his own bondage and slavery to sin at the same time that he declared all the Christians to whom he wrote to be gloriously liberated from the bondage of sin. Such an inconsistent conclusion can only be reached as a result of ignoring context, language, common sense, and reality in interpreting the Scriptures. - A.T. Overstreet

And I can do all things Through Christ who Strengthens me

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Can you sin through Him, Michael Collum?

And without Jesus i can do nothing

John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Can you cease from sin?
Is that nothing enough?

And all good things come from God .

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
What about the bad things, where do they come from?

And in Jesus i am a New Creation and the old is gone and the new has come .

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
Emphasis added

then there are two .

All i know is i am experiencing what Paul is describing in His letters . but you appear to not be from your darkened understanding on the matter .
Or enlightened, depending on your perspective;

Titus 1:15
To the pure all things are pure: but to them that are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.

So Riddle me this Riddle Me that ..

If i Do not sin . and the law of sin . sins within me .
You take away your responsability and you take away the possibility of being purged from your old sins Michael Collum.

Have you forgetten that you were purged by the Body of Christ through death?!?

And I can do all things through Christ that strengthens me

and can do nothing without Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkt8Dwzl6Sg

Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

if the old self is dead . but still clings on like rigor mortis
Did you forget to hold your funeral?
The old man is dead, time to bury him!!!

and i am a new creation

Then who am i?

and why are you addressing someone who is dead?
Why does God?

Ephesians 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
 
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BTW Ozell, as born again Christians, we are NOT under the Mosaic Law, but rather the Moral, which was first.. Which, btw, you have more than amply proved your inconsistancy with, in your spiteful attitude and unloving, uncaring, unfeeling manner towards men for whom Christ died.
 
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It's has obvious as the nose on your face, that born again Christians are under the grace of God not the law. Only by a thorough twisting of words could someone attempt to prove otherwise. We see those tactics have been used repeatedly in this thread by those who would want to place us once again under the control of the law, which is said to be falling from grace, suggesting salvation through the law.

Titus 2:11-12
11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


Romans 6:11-15
11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


Romans 10:4-5
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
 
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zeena

show me what mosiac law we are not under?

and where have I proved to be uncaring, unloving and unfeeling?

because I say to all men to keep God's commandments, you deem this as uncaring, unfeeling, unloving?

please show me proof.

and then answer the question so the thread don't get derailed.

what law did Jesus replace?

be specific!
 
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Zeena,

you appear to be preaching from the false premise of some blessing of sinless perfection . even the Catholics when teaching on their sacraments didn't believe that .

you don't seem to understand the dynamics of death in a body indwelt by the resurrection . so i doubt you'll be able to respond to me in a satisfactory manner .

i appreciate your response though .

but so this particular conversation does not derail the thread any longer .. *clicks unsubscribe*

blessings Ozell, hope you find the answers you're looking for . prioritizing scripture in order of relevance is a noble pursuit .
 
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Ozell, the premise of your question has no validity; it's a loaded question.

Romans 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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stelow;53963735]Ozell, the premise of your question has no validity; it's a loaded question.

Stelow you know the answer, answer it? whats loaded about the question. You know that the law Jesus replaced is the law of sacrifice.

lets break down the verse you quote below

Romans 8:3-8
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,


before Jesus came what flesh was used to condemn sin , whether it
worked or not what was used? answer the question.

4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

what is the law that is a righteous requirement?

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

paul tells us what walking in the things of the flesh is and what walking in the things of the spirit is? LIST THEM!

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

What is a carnal mind? and how does this carnal mind brings death, when it is written that the wages of sin is death.

what is the spiritual mind and how does it brings life and peace?
it is written the the words of God are spirit and they are life.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

the carnal mind is not subject to what law?
and do that mean that the spiritual mind is subject to the law?

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

is this correct? Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

are we all still under sin?

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
 
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