what Law did Jesus replace?

[spiritwarrior37]

It's funny to see how this thread went from one extreme to the other. But if you really want to get technical, who was the Law written for? It was written for Israel, the Jews, not the gentiles. We were never under the Law to begin with. And now none of us are under the Law because of Jesus' work on the cross. I don't know of one single person on this earth that could live and obey all of the laws. If you break one, you break them all.

 

[spiritwarrior37]

*emphasis added*

It's not a 'realization', it's an abomination!

"Should we take the members of Christ's and unite them to the harlot"?
"Is Christ now the Minister of sin"?

"If you died to sin, how can you live in it any longer"
"Those who are born of God do not sin, for God's seed remains in them"
"Be not decieved, he who DOES what is righteous IS righteous, even as He is Righteous"
"God is not mocked, what you sow you shall also reap"
"To those who through DOING GOOD seek glory and honour, eternal Life"
"But to those who are contentious..." BEWARE!

Do I truly understand what you are sayin? Are you saying that you no longer sin at all? I sin quite often, not meaning to, but I do. If you say something out of the way to someone, or if someone cuts you off in traffic and you say something you shouldn't, you have sinned. We will not be totally free from sin until Christ returns to take His bride away. Sin was not removed from this world, we were given a way to be forgiven for our sins, and that was through the blood of Jesus. I wish I could walk this earth and not sin, but there has only been one who has done this and He is now seated at the right hand of the Father. If this is not what you are saying, then I am sorry and please disregard this post.

God bless.

 

[Zeena]

Do I truly understand what you are sayin? Are you saying that you no longer sin at all?

I'm saying that if I sin I confess my sin and am CLEANSED of it, each and every time.

I sin quite often, not meaning to, but I do.

As you mature in Christ, learning to learning to reckon yourself dead to sin and putting on the whole armor of God, you will sin less and less as you grow in Grace and the knowledge of your Saviour.

If you say something out of the way to someone, or if someone cuts you off in traffic and you say something you shouldn't, you have sinned.

Depending on your definition of 'out of the way' I would concurr to the degree that you are not acting in faith.

We will not be totally free from sin until Christ returns to take His bride away.

Well then, I guess Christ has returned for His Bride

"FOR HE WHO HAS DIED HAS BEEN FREED FROM SIN"

Sin was not removed from this world, we were given a way to be forgiven for our sins, and that was through the blood of Jesus.

The Blood of Christ is MUCH more effective than what you give it credit for.

I wish I could walk this earth and not sin, but there has only been one who has done this and He is now seated at the right hand of the Father.

Are you in Him?

Is He in you?

Does He sin?

Is He your Life?

Do you abide by faith in Him?

Does the Holy Spirit buffet you and lift you to new heights?

Is He able to keep you from falling?

Do you press on?

Do you go from glory to glory in the Lord?

Will He bring to completion the good work started in you?

 

[gideon army]

I'm saying that if I sin I confess my sin and am CLEANSED of it, each and every time.

As you mature in Christ, learning to learning to reckon yourself dead to sin and putting on the whole armor of God, you will sin less and less as you grow in Grace and the knowledge of your Saviour.

Hi there Zeena,

If you read the OLD Testament, you'll know that the Offender will bring a Sacrificial Offering (Bull / Lamb/ Goat/ Turtle Doves/ Fine Flour all are Sccrificial Offerings which are Sin Offering/Wave/ Heave & Burnt Offering which all speaks of our LORD Jesus Christ? ) to the Priest which the Priest would check for Blemishes & if spotless, it would be accepted & the Sinner/Offender would lay His/Her hands on that Sacrificial Offering which is then consumed by Fire? If that is so which is a Shadow of the Substance for which we have in Christ then what is there left to confess?

Do you not know that Christ Died once & for all which made an end to all sins Atonement? You've asked the forummer is he knows that he is in Christ? So if he is in Christ then how can Christ be sinning? Deep right?

How on earth you can quote from EPH asking readers to reckon ourselves dead to sins & yet reckon yourself then confess? That is really Deep

In Short, Christ has redeemed us for all Laws which He had fulfilled them perfectly for us & unleashing GOD the Daddy & Christ Himself to Bless us regardless of our Performance & the only way we can Hinder Him is via the Laws

 

[tysr]

It's funny to see how this thread went from one extreme to the other. But if you really want to get technical, who was the Law written for? It was written for Israel, the Jews, not the gentiles. We were never under the Law to begin with. And now none of us are under the Law because of Jesus' work on the cross. I don't know of one single person on this earth that could live and obey all of the laws. If you break one, you break them all.

ex 12:v48: And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
49: One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.
50: Thus did all the children of Israel; as the LORD commanded Moses and Aaron, so did they.
51: And it came to pass the selfsame day, that the LORD did bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt by their armies.
also act13:v42: And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43: Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44: And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45: But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46: Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47: For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48: And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49: And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
50: But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
51: But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.
52: And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.
Now if your a gentile you have to keep it to cause its written one law god no respect of person you just dont want to jesus did isa 56:v1: Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2: Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3: Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4: For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5: Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6: Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7: Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

 

[Zeena]

Hi there Zeena

Hi Gideon, I really enjoyed your post, thanks

Iron sharpens iron indeed!

If you read the OLD Testament, you'll know that the Offender will bring a Sacrificial Offering (Bull / Lamb/ Goat/ Turtle Doves/ Fine Flour all are Sccrificial Offerings which are Sin Offering/Wave/ Heave & Burnt Offering which all speaks of our LORD Jesus Christ? ) to the Priest which the Priest would check for Blemishes & if spotless, it would be accepted & the Sinner/Offender would lay His/Her hands on that Sacrificial Offering which is then consumed by Fire? If that is so which is a Shadow of the Substance for which we have in Christ then what is there left to confess?

Sin.

Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Galatians 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Peter was born again at that time, wasn't he?
Do you believe he confessed his sin and was cleansed?

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Galations 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galations 2:17-19
But if, while we sought to be justified in Christ, we ourselves also were found sinners, is Christ a minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build up again those things which I destroyed, I prove myself a transgressor.
For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God.

Ergo, men who are so blatantly set against the way of God will have thier due recompense according to thier deeds.

Micah 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Do you not know that Christ Died once & for all which made an end to all sins Atonement? You've asked the forummer is he knows that he is in Christ? So if he is in Christ then how can Christ be sinning? Deep right?

We still have the choice to either submit to God or not. If we deny Him with our words and actions, He also will deny us. If we quench the Holy Spirit, He will not strive for control, but relinquish it until we confess to God our wrong and are cleansed of the unrighteousness by the Blood of Christ.

How on earth you can quote from EPH asking readers to reckon ourselves dead to sins & yet reckon yourself then confess? That is really Deep

That's a really good question!
[Though I seriously doubt you posed it as a question, for the sticking out of your tongue ]

Sanctification is a process. Whereby we are transformed (by the renewing of our minds [having the Holy Spirit Minister Christ over us]), that we may be conformed to the Image of God in Christ, being made partakers of the Divine Nature.

Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

The renewing of our minds is a gradual process whereby we are exhorted not only to put to death our former deeds, by the Spirit, but also by reckoning ourselves alive together with God in Christ. It is, as the above Scripture mentions, ADDING to our faith; virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness,brotherly kindness and charity.

But also note, as Peter spoke in verse 9, having first hand experience as previously identified, we CAN forget these things and grow cold in our faith, becoming barren and unfruitful. Which is why the renewing of our minds is of uttmost importance to our growing in Grace.

"The mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace."

In Short, Christ has redeemed us for all Laws which He had fulfilled them perfectly for us & unleashing GOD the Daddy & Christ Himself to Bless us regardless of our Performance & the only way we can Hinder Him is via the Laws

I have said nothing the Apostles themselves didn't say, and yet you cite me for it?
Are you sure you are not just trying to be contentious?

This is my cross.

If I sin it's because I'm not reckoning myself dead to sin.
I'm not abiding when I sin because I am not yeilded up to the Holy Spirit.
God does not overide my will, I have the choice to either submit to Him or not.

The Lord never annihilated my personality when I was born again.

Colossians 1:21
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

I was at one time aliented from and the enemy of God.
My entire being was accustomed to sin and in those sins was I comfortable until the Holy Spirit took hold of me.

It wasn't the ways in which I used to walk that died, it was me, true.
But it is the ways which the Spirit puts to death by our so reckoning.

My mind must therefore be renewed, so that I can be transformed, thus becoming conformed.

 

[gideon army]

Hi Gideon, I really enjoyed your post, thanks
Iron sharpens iron indeed!
Sin.
Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Many Thanks to you Zeena for your kind words of compliments.

Believe that Paul used it in his epistle to the early romans church (as above quoted by you) was due to the fact that he/paul advocated more on GRACE so much & make light on sins which he stated in:-

Romans 5:20 Moreover thelaw entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,

that Many started to accuse Paul of putting the Law down which he didn't but only to call the believers attention on our Lord Christ Jesus Instead & exorted them to awake to their Gift of Righteousness:-

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak [this] to your shame.

As for SIN as per above, it's addressed to the Corinthians early church which i know you've read why paul wrote the way he wrote? Oh the SIN was referring to not letting the Holy Spirit lead them

Galatians 2:11
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Peter was born again at that time, wasn't he?
Do you believe he confessed his sin and was cleansed?

Paul withstood Peter due to peter initial reluctance to have the Gospel preached to the Gentiles hence Peter epistle are meant / written for the Jews

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Luke 19:5 And when Jesus came to the place, He looked up and saw him, and said to him, "Zacchaeus, make haste and come down, for today I must stay at your house."

Christ didn't give him no laws right? Only showed him GRACE & what is the effect?

Luke 19:8 Then Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, "Look, Lord, I give half of my goods to the poor; and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore fourfold."

Then please contrast with :-

Lev 6:4 then it shall be, because he has sinned and is guilty, that he shall restore what he has stolen, or the thing which he has extorted, or what was delivered to him for safekeeping, or the lost thing which he found,

Lev 6:5 or all that about which he has sworn falsely. He shall restore its full value, add one-fifth more to it, and give it to whomever it belongs, on the day of his trespass offering.

Now, believe you can see that when 1 is touched by Grace, that person will not only have the 'wants' in him/her but will MAGNIFY the law, however it's not the law that the believer must behold but our Lord Christ Jesus

Galations 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Believe when quoting the above, any chance you've left the following out:-

Gal 3:25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Galations 2:17-19[/quote

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But if, while we sought to be justified in Christ, we ourselves also were found sinners, is Christ a minister of sin? God forbid. For if I build up again those things which I destroyed, I prove myself a transgressor.
For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God.

Zeena when quoting Gal 2:17-19, have you accidentally forgotten :-

Gal 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness [comes] through the law, then Christ died in vain."

Btw do you know that Galatians was singled out properly by Paul for Rebuking? Do you also know that Jews came & preached to the Galatians that they need to observe Laws hence Gal Chapter 2

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Do you know Zeena that 1 John 1-2 was written specifically to the Gnostics-ppl who don't believe it Christ? Hence it's not APPLICABLE to Christians

We still have the choice to either submit to God or not. If we deny Him with our words and actions, He also will deny us. If we quench the Holy Spirit, He will not strive for control, but relinquish it until we confess to God our wrong and are cleansed of the unrighteousness by the Blood of Christ.

Sanctification is a process. Whereby we are transformed (by the renewing of our minds [having the Holy Spirit Minister Christ over us]), that we may be conformed to the Image of God in Christ, being made partakers of the Divine Nature.

NO Believers needs to confess NO Sins & it's not scriptural, if one choose to 'confess' their sins directly to Christ in their personal walk with HIM then it's the believer personal choice but it isn't a means to get 'Right' with Christ for Christ has ObtainED ETERNAL Redemption/forgiveness for us

Hbr 9:12 Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Do you not know Zeena that we also have Sanctification? We need not try to get, we already Have or at least i know i have

2 Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Doesn't Paul saying that all believers have Sanctification when they 1st believed? If that isn't good for you then how about this:-

1 Cr 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption--

Sorry, my english bad, not up to par with most of you but believe above states clearly that it's Past Tense (meaning to say we already have right?)

1st & 2nd Peter was written Specifically to the Jews hence Not applicable now nor then to Christians

 

[Light hearted]

I'm saying that if I sin I confess my sin and am CLEANSED of it, each and every time. This is exactly what I was hoping your reply would be. I am pleased, not that my opinion means alot, non the less we are in complete agreement.

As you mature in Christ, learning to learning to reckon yourself dead to sin and putting on the whole armor of God, you will sin less and less as you grow in Grace and the knowledge of your Saviour. Same reply as above.

Depending on your definition of 'out of the way' I would concurr to the degree that you are not acting in faith.

Well then, I guess Christ has returned for His Bride

"FOR HE WHO HAS DIED HAS BEEN FREED FROM SIN"

The Blood of Christ is MUCH more effective than what you give it credit for.

Are you in Him?

Is He in you?

Does He sin?

Is He your Life?

Do you abide by faith in Him?

Does the Holy Spirit buffet you and lift you to new heights?

Is He able to keep you from falling?

Do you press on?

Do you go from glory to glory in the Lord?

Will He bring to completion the good work started in you?

After hearing the amount of posts that people still desire to fulfil the "Law" is beyond me. Yet, it is their choice, Law or Grace.

Once you're filled with the Holy Spirit you learn that God has far better for your life, people ask why you don't wipe the smile off your face.

As time passes it becomes easier to just blurt out when people ask, just to say it's Jesus in me. You may like my positive attitude, you can have it for yourself, just accept Jesus as your Lord and savior.

If I was trying to fulfil the Law I would be like walking on glass all day.

Oh the freedom we have in Christ.

 

[Judas 2070]

JESUS replaced the laws of the SINNERS. THE SINNERS who did not partake in the copulation of the FOOD OF GOD. AND THEN SATAN wanted to take away the food of the children. BUT JESUS WOULD NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. HE PROTECTED 'US' FROM THE WRATH OF SATAN! PRAISE JESUS.

 

[ozell]

It's funny to see how this thread went from one extreme to the other. But if you really want to get technical, who was the Law written for? It was written for Israel, the Jews, not the gentiles. We were never under the Law to begin with. And now none of us are under the Law because of Jesus' work on the cross. I don't know of one single person on this earth that could live and obey all of the laws. If you break one, you break them all.

learn this word

Ex 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

then you don't know Jesus!

1Pt 2v21: For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[spiritwarrior37]

I know Jesus very well. We have been on a personal level for over 40 years. I know Him well enough to know that I am no longer required to keep the law for I am now under grace. You want to live by the over 600 laws, I will live by Jesus. This is my last post in this thread because you just don't get that we are under grace and not the law. You live for the law, I will live for Jesus. May God bless you.
Goodbye

 

[ozell]

Hi there Zeena,

If you read the OLD Testament, you'll know that the Offender will bring a Sacrificial Offering (Bull / Lamb/ Goat/ Turtle Doves/ Fine Flour all are Sccrificial Offerings which are Sin Offering/Wave/ Heave & Burnt Offering which all speaks of our LORD Jesus Christ? ) to the Priest which the Priest would check for Blemishes & if spotless, it would be accepted & the Sinner/Offender would lay His/Her hands on that Sacrificial Offering which is then consumed by Fire? If that is so which is a Shadow of the Substance for which we have in Christ then what is there left to confess?

Do you not know that Christ Died once & for all which made an end to all sins Atonement? You've asked the forummer is he knows that he is in Christ? So if he is in Christ then how can Christ be sinning? Deep right?

How on earth you can quote from EPH asking readers to reckon ourselves dead to sins & yet reckon yourself then confess? That is really Deep

In Short, Christ has redeemed us for all Laws which He had fulfilled them perfectly for us & unleashing GOD the Daddy & Christ Himself to Bless us regardless of our Performance & the only way we can Hinder Him is via the Laws

GA

what if the OT people had not sinned, would they need to bring a animal sacrifce?

also learn this my Brother

Rv 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Jesus and his Blood was around before a man was created also understand

Jesus was their during the sacrificing of animals in the wilderness.

1Cor 10:
1: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2: And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3: And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents

if the people in the OT would obey God's word, sacrifice would not be needed.


1Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

the people of the NT if they don't sin, their is no need to ask for forgiveness, pray, repent, etc.

 

[ozell]

I know Jesus very well. We have been on a personal level for over 40 years. I know Him well enough to know that I am no longer required to keep the law for I am now under grace. You want to live by the over 600 laws, I will live by Jesus. This is my last post in this thread because you just don't get that we are under grace and not the law. You live for the law, I will live for Jesus. May God bless you.
Goodbye

Go ahead and run

all men are under grace.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

the Father gave Jesus to the world, sinner are part of the world, sinner are those who break the laws of God.

do you sin? have you sinned since you been in Jesus?


1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

and if you stop to think, you are under some of those 600 laws you speak of. whatever country you live in you are under God's laws for man has adopted these laws.

it is a crime to steal
it is a crime to kill
it is a crime to sleep with another man's wife
it is a crime to dishonour(abuse) thy mother nad father
it is a crime to lie

maybe its time to

2Pt 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[ozell]

1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

when will the Lord destroy the works of the devil?

Rev 20v1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3: And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6: Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9: And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11: And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12: And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13: And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14: And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15: And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[ozell]

1Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

what if Adam and Eve would have obeyed?

 

[nChrist]

I know Jesus very well. We have been on a personal level for over 40 years. I know Him well enough to know that I am no longer required to keep the law for I am now under grace. You want to live by the over 600 laws, I will live by Jesus. This is my last post in this thread because you just don't get that we are under grace and not the law. You live for the law, I will live for Jesus. May God bless you.
Goodbye

Amen!

The Pharisees and Sadducees are alive and well today. I doubt they would be called non-denominational, at least not any non-denominational churches that I know of. The truth is here for them in this thread from many posters, but they are blind. They are determined to go about trying to establish their own righteousness, so they have not yielded to the only Righteousness of Jesus Christ - and they won't.

 

[spiritwarrior37]

Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been faultless
Not the covenant of works; that was made in paradise, this on Mount Sinai; that was made with Adam and his posterity, this with the Jews only; that had no mediator, this had one, Moses; that was not dedicated with blood, this was; that had no forgiveness of sin in it, this had; under that saints are not, but they were under this; to be under that was no privilege, but to be under this it was, as to the Israelites, who on this account were preferable to all other nations: nor is the pure covenant of grace as administered under the Gospel, meant; for though that was first made, yet is the second in administration; that includes the elect of God among the Gentiles, this only the Jews; that is made only with them, and is made known to them whom God calls by his grace in time, this was made with good and bad; that was of pure grace, this required works in order to life and the enjoyment of its blessings; that is an everlasting covenant, this is done away; and the one is manifestly distinguished from the other in this chapter: but the covenant here designed is the covenant of grace, as administered under the legal dispensation, and which was a typical one; the people with whom it was made were typical of the true Israel of God; the blessings promised in it were shadows of good things to come; the works it required were typical of Christ's obedience to the law, in the room and stead of his people, by which he fulfilled it; the sacrifices on which it was established were types of the sacrifice and death of Christ; the mediator of it. Moses, was a type of Christ, the Mediator of the new covenant; and it was confirmed by the blood of beasts, which was typical of the blood of Christ: this covenant was not "faultless", but was faulty or blameworthy; not that there was anything sinful and criminal in it, but it was deficient; there was a weakness in it; its sacrifices could not make men perfect, nor take away sin; there wanted a larger supply of the grace of the Spirit to write the law of God upon the heart, and to enable men to keep it; there was not in it so full a revelation of the mind and will of God, and of his love and grace, as has since been made; nor did it exhibit a free and full pardon for all sins, unclogged of every condition; the persons that were under it were faulty; hence it follows, that God found fault with them, they could not answer the requirements and end of it: had it been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second;
the covenant of grace unveiled in the Gospel dispensation, called the better testament, the better covenant, and the new covenant; in order to, introduce which, the first was removed, that this might succeed it; just as because there was no perfection by the Levitical priesthood, it became necessary that another priest should arise, of another order.</SPAN>

 

[spiritwarrior37]

Hebrews 8:9

Not according to the covenant that I made with their
fathers
The ancestors of the Jews at Mount Sinai:
in the day when I took then, by the hand to lead them out of the
land of Egypt;
which is mentioned, not only to observe the time when the former covenant was made with the Israelites, which was just upon their deliverance out of Egypt; but also to show their weakness and inability to have delivered themselves, and the tenderness of God towards them; they were like children, they could not help themselves when God took them by the hand, and brought them forth with an outstretched arm; and likewise to expose their ingratitude, and vindicate his conduct towards them:
because they continued not in my covenant;
though they promised, at the reading of it, that all that the Lord had said, they would hear and do; but their hearts were not right with God, and they were not steadfast in his covenant, and therefore their carcasses fell in the wilderness: and I regarded them not, saith the Lord;
the words in ( Jeremiah 31:32 ) are very differently rendered in our translation, "although I was an husband unto them": and so it becomes an aggravation of their sin of ingratitude, in not continuing in his covenant: in the margin it is rendered interrogatively, "should I have continued an husband unto them?" that is, after they had so treated him, no; as if he should say, I will not behave towards them as such; I will reject them, and disregard them. The Chaldee paraphrase is just the reverse of the apostle's translation, "and I was well pleased with them": some render them, "I ruled over them", as a lord over his servants, in a very severe manner. Others, observing the great difference there is between the Hebrew text, and the apostle's version, have supposed a different Hebrew copy from the present, used by the Septuagint, or the apostle, in which, instead of (ytleb) , it was read either (ytlxb) , or (ytleg) ; but there is no need of such a supposition, since Dr. Pocock F7 has shown, that (leb) , in the Arabic language, signifies to loath and abhor, and so to disregard; and Kimchi F8 relates it as a rule laid down by his father, that wherever this word is used in construction with (b) , it is to be taken in an ill part, and signifies the same as (ytlxb) , "I have loathed"; in which sense that word is used in ( Zechariah 11:8 ) and so here, I have loathed them, I abhorred them, I rejected them, I took no care of them, disregarded them, left their house desolate, and suffered wrath to come upon them to the uttermost.

 

[spiritwarrior37]

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith a new covenant
In the above prophecy, ( Hebrews 8:8 )
he hath made the first old;
this naturally follows from hence; if the second is new, the first must be old; which is called so, not on account of its date and duration; for the covenant of grace itself is older than this mode of administration of it, and the manifestation of that to the patriarchs was before this covenant, and so was the covenant of works before it; but on the account of its faultiness and deficiency, its weakness, and unprofitableness, and especially its being antiquated, and made to give way to another. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away;
the apostle argues from the first covenant, being old, to its being near to dissolution, or a disappearance; and the dissolution or disappearance of this covenant was gradual; it began when the Chaldeans seized the land of Canaan; and the ark, an eminent type of Christ, being wanting in the second temple, gave a hint of its waxing old; and both the civil and ecclesiastical government of the Jews were in great confusion under the second temple, at least towards the close of it; and even before the times of Christ, John the Baptist came, and proclaimed the near approach of the Messiah, and his kingdom: this covenant was of right abolished at the time of Christ's death; upon his ascension the Spirit was given, and the Gospel published among all nations, by which it more and more disappeared; and in fact it quite vanished away, when the city and temple of Jerusalem were destroyed, which was in a little time after the writing of this epistle; so that the apostle, with great propriety, says, it is "ready to vanish away".</SPAN>

 

[spiritwarrior37]

Lets look at Galations Chapter 5.

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free , and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised , Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised , that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you , whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

This plainly shows we are not under the law. I know I said i wasn't gonna post anymore, but I felt I had to try and open your blinded eyes to the truth.