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Ops, sorry maybe you're right-my Singaporean English isn't up to par as compared with the Queen's English but then again Grenada? Ok i'll GOOGLE GRENADA & then Singapore ;) to compare ;)

Doubt you'll ever get my drift for you're a Permanent resident of another FORUM :p

What do you know about Grenada? How is googling Grenada and comparing it with Singapore going to help you. You just need to compare my English with yours. But I didn't even want to go down that road. Take the suggestion. No need to jump on a Grenadians case. I am sure there are many people in Singapore who speak better English than you. Thats why I was talking about your English and not Singaporean English.
 
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Here is Ezekiel the Lord has showed Ezekiel a vision when He the Lord is back on earth ruling.

Pay close attention to what Jesus tells Ezekiel.

Ezek 44:

1: Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2: Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3: It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

4: Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face.
5: And the LORD said unto
me, Son of man, mark well, and behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears all that I say unto thee concerning all the ordinances of the house of the LORD, and all the laws thereof; and mark well the entering in of the house, with every going forth of the sanctuary.

6: And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,

7: In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

8: And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

***9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.***

The Law of circumcison is still valid. when the Lord returns Israel and the stranger BETTER be circumcised
 
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when a person sinned against God before Jesus came in the flesh what procedure did man do remove the sin?

Here is Ezekiel the Lord has showed Ezekiel a vision when He the Lord is back on earth ruling.

Pay close attention to what Jesus tells Ezekiel.

Ezek 44:

1: Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2: Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the LORD, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3: It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the LORD; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

4: Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face.
5: And the LORD said unto
me, Son of man, mark well, and behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears all that I say unto thee concerning all the ordinances of the house of the LORD, and all the laws thereof; and mark well the entering in of the house, with every going forth of the sanctuary.

6: And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations,

7: In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

8: And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves.

***9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.***

The Law of circumcison is still valid. when the Lord returns Israel and the stranger BETTER be circumcised

Hebrews 10

1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, O God.' " 8First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.


Isaiah 66:3
But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig's blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their abominations;
 
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Hebrews 10

1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, 4because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
"Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, 'Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, O God.' " 8First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made). 9Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.


Isaiah 66:3
But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog's neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig's blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, and their souls delight in their abominations;


what law is a shdaow of things to come?
 
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what law is a shdaow of things to come?

The Old Testament Law . Most specifically the Mosaic Law the one with all the blood sacrifices in it .

And as it is written: "He sets aside the first (covenant) to establish the second"

the framework surrounding the "the covenant" such as "the promise" and "the foundations of the world/Creation" still stand .
 
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The Old Testament Law . Most specifically the Mosaic Law the one with all the blood sacrifices in it .

And as it is written: "He sets aside the first (covenant) to establish the second"

the framework surrounding the "the covenant" such as "the promise" and "the foundations of the world/Creation" still stand .

Which law is written on our hearts in the new covenant?
 
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Which law is written on our hearts in the new covenant?

I recall answering this on another thread (or perhaps earlier in this same thread) but (love is patient) ..

2 Corinthians 3

3You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Jeremiah 31

31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.

32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers

when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to them, "
declares the LORD.

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time," declares the LORD.
"I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people
.

34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest
,"
declares the LORD.
"For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more
."

This sounds like our covenant . all within the covenant know God from the greatest to the least and He forgives us and remembers our sins no more .

It is written that He will put "His" law in our minds and hearts . He does not say He will put the covenant given to the Israelites in our hearts and minds . it is actually written in the passage that it will be a completely different covenant .

And we all know the Israeli covenant is summed up in two things which in essence mean to "Love" and we know from the New Covenant writings that God is Love .

The manner in which God "writes His law" is through the indwelling Spirit who "guides us into all truth" So the law placed on our hearts is one that makes our hearts real and does not turn our hearts to stone . this is the law of Love and of freedom .
 
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Acts 20


28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.
32"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.


He meant the judaizers, the pharisees would come in and devour the flock . and that's exactly what happened . they added the law to grace . but all Paul gave us was grace . because if you have to earn grace it is no longer grace .


I'm gonna keep living in the new nature . The instructions are there . but they were distorted as the scripture says .
so one must read between the lines and listen for God's still quiet and unimposing voice . even when reading that beloved text .

Acts 20


28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.
32"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.


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So what you are saying is that God's commandments are all lies? And those who follow them set out to distort the truth?

The word of his grace is Christ Jesus, In fact Christ Jesus is the word of GOD, Christ Jesus is the commandments, abiding in HIS love is obedience to them.

When you say "but all Paul gave us was grace", Paul doesn't give grace GOD does, so be carefull about whom you follow. Be carefull to know and follow Jesus.

The commandments were put in place by GOD, so I suppose that HE too is a lie? They (the commandments) are truth and living in them sets us free from fear of death. You want to be truly free? HEAR ALL OF GOD's WORD and stop listening to only what you want to think the Apostle Paul is saying.
 
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Acts 20


28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.
32"Now I commit you to God and to the word of his grace, which can build you up and give you an inheritance among all those who are sanctified.


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So what you are saying is that God's commandments are all lies? And those who follow them set out to distort the truth?

The word of his grace is Christ Jesus, In fact Christ Jesus is the word of GOD, Christ Jesus is the commandments, abiding in HIS love is obedience to them.

When you say "but all Paul gave us was grace", Paul doesn't give grace GOD does, so be carefull about whom you follow. Be carefull to know and follow Jesus.

The commandments were put in place by GOD, so I suppose that HE too is a lie? They (the commandments) are truth and living in them sets us free from fear of death. You want to be truly free? HEAR ALL OF GOD's WORD and stop listening to only what you want to think the Apostle Paul is saying.

I listen to it and categorize based on its weightiness apply in order of priority and relevance to said situation . Since Jesus said there were weightier matters to the law and Paul taught that the fruit of the Spirit surpass the law and love fulfills it . i am applying the scriptures according to what they say about themselves .

regarding the wolves verse here is another one to chew on . don't yell at me "it is written:"

Jeremiah 8:8

8 " 'How can you say, "We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,"
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?

All it means is: the western rationalist approach to interpreting texts is not compatible with a text originally interpreted by different socio-philosophical apparatii . it still is what it says of itself .
 
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The Old Testament Law . Most specifically the Mosaic Law the one with all the blood sacrifices in it .

And as it is written: "He sets aside the first (covenant) to establish the second"

the framework surrounding the "the covenant" such as "the promise" and "the foundations of the world/Creation" still stand .

Micheal you answered the question.

Jesus replace the law specifically the animal sacrifice law.

He set aside the sacrifice law to establish the blood of Jesus.

God has many covenants.
 
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Which law is written on our hearts in the new covenant?

the same law he gave Israel on Mount Sinai

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34: And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


listen to Paul explain which Law

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Notice tell us about the sins and iniquities in the next verse.

17: And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

what laws do man transgress to commit sin?

Now lets read Paul again

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.


8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


The Lord did not find fault with the covenant or the laws, He found fault with the people.

The Law the Lord wrote on our heart and mind is the 10 COMMANDMENTS!
 
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Hebrews 9

1Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep." 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
 
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The old law is a copy of the actual reality we are living .

now we are supposed to be living the realities that Christ opened the way up to partake of .

but if you wish to live in the shadows ... well what can i do?

Are you telling me Jesus died for nothing?
 
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The old law is a copy of the actual reality we are living .

now we are supposed to be living the realities that Christ opened the way up to partake of .

but if you wish to live in the shadows ... well what can i do?

Are you telling me Jesus died for nothing?

Michael

Jesus died for your PAST sins

lets read

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

what about the sins you commit after you confess and be baptised in the name of Jesus?

if you continue to sin after accepting Jesus do you crixify Jesus over again?

did he die for nothing if you continue to sin after you accept him as Lord and saviour?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Now what?
 
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Hebrews 9

1Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand, the table and the consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. 9This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

11When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation. 12He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption. 13The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!

15For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

16In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. 19When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. 20He said, "This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep." 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence. 25Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

What do Aaron have to do with Jesus sacrifice?

what law do Hebrews 9 point to if all this had to be setup?

now you have found the law Jesus replaced.

Hebrews 9v11: But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12: Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13: For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

what blood was the mediator of the old covenant?

when Jesus came he bacame the mediator of the New covenant his blood
replaced the blood of animals for sin?
 
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Jesus died for your PAST sins

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Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

what about the sins you commit after you confess and be baptised in the name of Jesus?

if you continue to sin after accepting Jesus do you crixify Jesus over again?

did he die for nothing if you continue to sin after you accept him as Lord and saviour?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Now what?

So .. you are telling me .. that something i couldn't have paid off myself . i can lose due to personal compulsion which was part of the forgiven portion . (the sinner died . it is no longer i who sin but the sin that sins within me .. read on further in romans) now how is that good news?

but i have a different scenario the point of these passages seemed to have just slipped by you .

Matthew 18

23"Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' 27The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.

29"His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'

30"But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35"This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."

You are acting just like the unjust servant . God forgave my whole debt and you are bringing up petty matters to my attention .

do you think this passage is actually just an allegory?

would you invite God to illustrate to you that it most certainly is not ?

could please show some common courtesy, if your sin (singular) has been forgiven . then why not be thankful instead?

last time i checked grumblers and faultfinders really don't receive rave reviews in the NT passages .

focus on what's good .

i tell you this for your own health and for the health of the body .
 
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This is a very interesting topic for me. I am not a new Christian per say but I am new when it comes to learning things such as this. I will have to do some more research today and come back and comment. I am glad that those of you that support or don't support this statement have placed optional biblical verses in your commentary. It will make it easier for me to come to a conclusion as to my own personal opinion. There are similar topics that we discuss such as this on another Christian social network called gracefriends.
 
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This is a very interesting topic for me. I am not a new Christian per say but I am new when it comes to learning things such as this. I will have to do some more research today and come back and comment. I am glad that those of you that support or don't support this statement have placed optional biblical verses in your commentary. It will make it easier for me to come to a conclusion as to my own personal opinion. There are similar topics that we discuss such as this on another Christian social network called gracefriends.


i too prefer a dialogue
 
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