What kind of message is The Message?

[BenAdam]

As far as I know,

None of the major cults busily leading people astray are currently using the Message. (I could be wrong)

As far as I know they do it with the good ole KJV.

Although one messes with John 1:1 and replaces “God” with “a god”. Their bible is otherwise word for word KJV.

I don’t know how many people have been lead astray by “The Message”. I do however have good numbers on those lead away reading the king’s English.

(and it’s more than 144,000 now)

John O.

Actually John, the Jehovah Witnesses utilize their own home cooked translation, the New World Translation which contains a large amount of weak or out and out incorrect translations in order to further their theology.

 

[jeolmstead]

Actually John, the Jehovah Witnesses utilize their own home cooked translation, the New World Translation which contains a large amount of weak or out and out incorrect translations in order to further their theology.

Oops......

(I thought it was just John 1:1)

Here a link I found on the subject

http://www.towerwatch.com/Witnesses/New_World_Translation/nwt_errors.htm

John O.

 

[KleinerApfel]

God has favorites? That is more evidence against this abomination called "the message"

NASB
Rom 2:11 For there is no partiality with God.

Yes! You are His favourite, I am His favourite - all of His children are His favourites!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com
Definition of favourite:

a person or thing regarded with especial preference or liking
a person who loves someone or is loved by someone
chosen - one who is the object of choice; who is given preference

 

[jeolmstead]

Yes! You are His favourite, I am His favourite - all of His children are His favourites!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com
Definition of favourite:

a person or thing regarded with especial preference or liking
a person who loves someone or is loved by someone
chosen - one who is the object of choice; who is given preference

He is especially fond of me!



John O.

 

[JimB]

Yes! You are His favourite, I am His favourite - all of His children are His favourites!

http://www.thefreedictionary.com
Definition of favourite:

a person or thing regarded with especial preference or liking
a person who loves someone or is loved by someone
chosen - one who is the object of choice; who is given preference

I have always loved the Amplified translation of the last verse in the Bible, Revelation 22.21 …

The grace (blessing and favor) of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) be with all the saints (God's holy people, those set apart for God, to be, as it were, exclusively His). Amen (so let it be)!
​

I like the idea of being “exclusively His”.

~Jim

It seems to be a universal irony that when people are free to do what they want they usually imitate one another.​

 

[Elijah2]

A paraphrase makes no claims to being an accurate translation of scripture. It is a paraphrase, an interpretation. You know that going into it, if you read the introduction. Most preachers paraphrase the Bible when they are preaching and have to recall a scripture off the top of their head. Like the preacher on TV this past week (during the outrageous TBN beg-a-thon) who told us, quote, “Don’t the Bible say that Bill Gates’ money is laid up for Christians” (and all the people whooped or went into a swoon).

Except, the Bible does not say that. That interpretation would encourage covetousness.

To quote Prov. 13.22 from another paraphrase (the Message), “A good life gets passed on to the grandchildren; ill-gotten wealth ends up with good people.”

The Message may be a loose paraphrase but not as loose as what I heard on TBN and you probably heard on Sunday.

~Jim

It seems to be a universal irony that when people are free to do what they want they usually imitate one another.​

How loose is loose?

Nobody said that The Message makes claims of being a translation, but it claims that it's HIS BIBLE after all Rick Warren says in his Purpose Driven Life says: "The Bible says" and then quotes THE MESSAGE, not KJV or any other reputable translation. And Rick's book contains nearly 70% of The Message.:o

So, who is wrong, and who is claiming Eugene Peterson's personal interpretation as being a HIS WORD, as some say the Bible says, and quotes from The Message. Interesting?

Now, my point that I was making to Tbird that they said that The Message is a TRANSLATION, and The Message is nothing more than a book full of WATERED-DOWN MILK, and not some loose parphrase

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

No, it is a PARAPHRASE, only. If you don't like paraphrases, then don't use them. To suggest that Peterson is deliberately foisting an agenda on us is preposterous. Spirit-led believers would be able to see that if it were true.

As it is, we are seeing mistaken fear mongers with their bullhorns calling out, to no avail. That should tell you something. The Body of Christ is not amused.

My dear sister, stop putting words into my mouth, he has deliberately distorted distorted, misrepresented, added, changed, and watered-down HIS INSPIRED WORD. We are suppose to be fed "MEAT" and "INCORRUPTIBLE SEED", not "MILK" and "CORRUPTIBLE SEED"!

Now if in the REAL BIBLE mentions our Lord 7000 (plus) times and The Message only mentions our Lord, that is the word "LORD" only 80 times, and then doesn't use the words "Lord Jesus Christ" at all, and "Lord Jesus" a couple of times, and changes the words "Jesus" to "Master", then what is his agenda for desecrating His Word and HIM?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[mont974x4]

This isn't the first time someone standing firm for biblical truth has been accused of fear mongering, or some other such nonsense.

 

[Floatingaxe]

My dear sister, stop putting words into my mouth, he has deliberately distorted distorted, misrepresented, added, changed, and watered-down HIS INSPIRED WORD. We are suppose to be fed "MEAT" and "INCORRUPTIBLE SEED", not "MILK" and "CORRUPTIBLE SEED"!

Now if in the REAL BIBLE mentions our Lord 7000 (plus) times and The Message only mentions our Lord, that is the word "LORD" only 80 times, and then doesn't use the words "Lord Jesus Christ" at all, and "Lord Jesus" a couple of times, and changes the words "Jesus" to "Master", then what is his agenda for desecrating His Word and HIM?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

When will the penny drop?

A paraphrase doesn't aim to be equal to the Bible. It doesn't have to count the times it uses "Lord"! The word, "Lord" means "master"!!

There are more serious issues you can take on, E2.

 

[Redwood]

This isn't the first time someone standing firm for biblical truth has been accused of fear mongering, or some other such nonsense.

Is that how you try to win people over to your way of thinking...by calling their opinions nonsense?

 

[mont974x4]

Nope, just pointing out facts and the typical responses to their presentation. I do not care to win anyone over to my way of thinking. My hope is for everyone to give a little and meet at the truth.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

This isn't the first time someone standing firm for biblical truth has been accused of fear mongering, or some other such nonsense.

When the human messenger gives the impression of damnation if we don't listen to them, what do you call it?

 

[mont974x4]

Truth is, I used to think like FA on this subject.

Did I damn anyone for beleiving "the message" is reliable? Nope, I called the message an abomination that has twisted the truth. I addressed the subject of the thread, not the people who disagree with me. I addressed their tactics, not them.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I think we need a crash course on what constitutes an abomination!

 

[mont974x4]

I would say that taking God's Word and claiming it says something it doesn't certainly qualifies, especially given how God Himself views His Word.

 

[Redwood]

I would say that taking God's Word and claiming it says something it doesn't certainly qualifies, especially given how God Himself views His Word.

Not very encouraging for those of us who came to know Jesus through the message Bible.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Not very encouraging for those of us who came to know Jesus through the message Bible.

The way some of these people are talking, those who have found Jesus through the Message Bible are kidding themselves.

By the way everyone, I became born again as a Roman Catholic as a direct result of reading The Good News Bible, a similar Catholic pharaphrased version like the Message.

Please feel encouraged by me Redwood.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Not very encouraging for those of us who came to know Jesus through the message Bible.

You are right. Adversaries of The Message are discouragers.

The truth is there, but because the language is modern, it generates fears in those who feel secure in the language of the Bibles we grew up with containing archaic language.

Paraphrased versions of the Word of God are only doing what we do every day as believers--we paraphrase the truth of God with our lips and our lives before a starving, thirsting world.

But they miss that truth being pharisaic about the whole thing.

 

[Elijah2]

Not very encouraging for those of us who came to know Jesus through the message Bible.

Wow, so The Message can do a better job than the KJV, even though it distorts the TRUTH.

Which Jesus do they know our Lord Jesus Christ or some other distorted and misrepresented Jesus?

Do they really know who they are and who are they in our Lord Jesus Christ. I don't think so, because The Message doesn't preach the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yes it does.

John 3:16-18 The Message
"This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him.