What kind of message is The Message?

[Lotuspetal_uk]

ALL translations are better than The Message, so this isn't something for the KJV only or the anti-KJV only to get wound up over.
The Message simply is NOT a translation AT ALL, it is NOT a Bible. That is the real issue.

The Message is NOT a Bible at all, but it CLAIMS to be, and that dishonesty, deception, is what makes me concerned.
It has way to much removed and way too much added, it is not God's word, it's one mans thoughts about the word of God, and if only he'd said so I'd be happy.

Amen.

 

[Henaynei]

dumbing down of the "translation" is dumbing down of the message.... and is a tool that will eventually be used to validate equating the Truth with all the Lies that are out there calling themselves "paths to G-d"

 

[Jesus Is Real]

dumbing down of the "translation" is dumbing down of the message.... and is a tool that will eventually be used to validate equating the Truth with all the Lies that are out there calling themselves "paths to G-d"

It's a paraphrase. It's not intended to replace the bible.

By the way, last time I checked, we all speak the human language. (Unless you're mute)

That human language your referring to, though you don't know yet, is a dialectic language for the sake of the village. It's a homosexual language, if you can hear it, it's a language God can't speak into but He destroys.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

dumbing down of the "translation" is dumbing down of the message.... and is a tool that will eventually be used to validate equating the Truth with all the Lies that are out there calling themselves "paths to G-d"

yes

 

[Jesus Is Real]

dumbing down of the "translation" is dumbing down of the message.... and is a tool that will eventually be used to validate equating the Truth with all the Lies that are out there calling themselves "paths to G-d"

You CAN NOT today translate The Word of God into our Current Culture, it has lost a way of thinking. It's gone the way the world went before the flood, God could not speak into the culture, because they were always thinking about their feelings - Imagination of the heart is your always weighting what your going to say and what your going to do based upon human approval.

You can never get to the "Thus Saith The Lord" when others in the village speak this dialectic language of, "What do you think", "How do you feel", "What is your input?, "This is my story and past,...", etc.

 

[Alpine]

That human language your referring to, though you don't know yet, is a dialectic language for the sake of the village. It's a homosexual language, if you can hear it, it's a language God can't speak into but He destroys.

You're kidding me right? The human language is a homosexual language?

 

[Jesus Is Real]

You're kidding me right? The human language is a homosexual language?

read it again.

 

[Svt4Him]

Sorry mate, but who told you that the KJV isn't the "benchmark"? That is another false teacher teaching! Have a look at the Geneva Bible and it confirms all what is translated in the KJV.

So when the KJV contradicts itself what do you do? The KJV isn't the benchmark, that's such a funny statement. The Russian Bible, believe it or not, doesn't translate from the KJV. The Spanish Bbile, beleive it or not, doesn't translate from the KJV. If all these others don't use the KJV, then it's a fairly false belief to think the KJV is the benchmark for a true translation. The Geneva Bible doesn't make for the benchmark of what a true bible is. Now tying this back to the Message, the Message has to be judged by the original language it is translating from, not the Geneva Bible, not the KJV with all it's faults. And if that is done, it's not a bad translation.

If we want to debate the translations though, perhaps we can start a thread in the appropriate area?

 

[Jesus Is Real]

Thankfully I did not waste my money on it. My mother bought it for .50 at a thrift store and gave it to me. She said, "It is absolutley horrible, but as a pastor you need to know what you are dealing with."

Honestly, it shouldn't take that deep of a look to raise a red flag with us.

You have a wise discerning mother, and your mother has a well instructed son. Your ornament of grace and chains of grace look good on you brother! I also read books for research just to keep somewhat on the lies. I've burned, once I've read and gleaned enough, many books in the past 12 months. But I will not purchase Peterson's book, God's Holy Spirit already told me all I needed to know when it comes to having that book in my home.

Prov 1:7-9

7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not the law of thy mother:

9 For they shall be an ornament of grace unto thy head, and chains about thy neck.
KJV

 

[gratefulgrace]

I don't think anyone is changing their minds or getting "Converted" here why don't we just agreee to disagree and get on with living for Jesus.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

I don't think anyone is changing their minds or getting "Converted" here why don't we just agreee to disagree and get on with living for Jesus.

Because Christian's don't follow Marxist saying. Christian's are living for Jesus, can't you see also The Battle? But I do care about, what you know, not what you think or feel - that is being dialectic which structure of language God hates!

Jude 1-4
1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

But it is not expected for flesh to understand this. That which is flesh is flesh. Jacob God loves, Esau God hates, he was of the flesh, thought with his feelings not what is fact and truth with God.

 

[Elijah2]

So when the KJV contradicts itself what do you do? The KJV isn't the benchmark, that's such a funny statement. The Russian Bible, believe it or not, doesn't translate from the KJV. The Spanish Bbile, beleive it or not, doesn't translate from the KJV. If all these others don't use the KJV, then it's a fairly false belief to think the KJV is the benchmark for a true translation. The Geneva Bible doesn't make for the benchmark of what a true bible is. Now tying this back to the Message, the Message has to be judged by the original language it is translating from, not the Geneva Bible, not the KJV with all it's faults. And if that is done, it's not a bad translation.

If we want to debate the translations though, perhaps we can start a thread in the appropriate area?

Am I believing what you are saying?

Heavens above mate, not word of The Message translates from Greek or Hebrew. Now get your statements right before you go off onto a tangent that you know nothing about.

Now, at least the Geneva and KJV is best translations that are available from the resources they had in those days, which I believe were more comprehensive that what is available today, because many documents that the translators of 1595 and 1611 have been destroyed through many wars of the past up to WW2.

We all know that man still has his finger in the pie, as for those who canonised the Bible and didn't allow other books that have been proven to be an accurate writing as the canonised books.

But, really mate, The Message has descecrate HIS INSPIRED WORD, and any similarity between it and Greek/Hebrew translations is purely coincidental.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

I don't think anyone is changing their minds or getting "Converted" here why don't we just agreee to disagree and get on with living for Jesus.

I didn't know this was a WOF forum.

This thread is about a question, not whether we agree or disagree my dear sister.

What sort of conversion are you talking about, because The Message doesn't talk about the real reason for His Word.

It's very obvious that you haven't read any of my postings on this thread or any other thread in relation to The Message.

It's all about APOSTASY, not SALVATION, as you may think it is.

And it's all about FALSE TEACHING, which is what The Message is all about.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[BillynJennifer]

I don't think anyone is changing their minds or getting "Converted" here why don't we just agreee to disagree and get on with living for Jesus.

Because Christians enjoy arguing more than Sunday afternoon dinner at the Shoney's restaurant.

 

[mont974x4]

I don't live around any Shoney's these days, but I'd gladly join ya'll for some fellowship if it was possible.

 

[Svt4Him]

Am I believing what you are saying?

Heavens above mate, not word of The Message translates from Greek or Hebrew. Now get your statements right before you go off onto a tangent that you know nothing about.

Now, at least the Geneva and KJV is best translations that are available from the resources they had in those days, which I believe were more comprehensive that what is available today, because many documents that the translators of 1595 and 1611 have been destroyed through many wars of the past up to WW2.

We all know that man still has his finger in the pie, as for those who canonised the Bible and didn't allow other books that have been proven to be an accurate writing as the canonised books.

But, really mate, The Message has descecrate HIS INSPIRED WORD, and any similarity between it and Greek/Hebrew translations is purely coincidental.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Right. Obviously you know what you're talking about. So we agree then that the KJV is not the benchmark but the books that they translated from? You know mate, those books are still around...one of us needs to get our facts straight.

 

[Elijah2]

Because Christians enjoy arguing more than Sunday afternoon dinner at the Shoney's restaurant.

Hi Billy,

I don't know about Christians enjoying arguing, because I like discussing and making Christians aware of the false teaching that is found in paraphrased and watered-down versions.

My comments are serious points of discussion that need to be considered deeply and not be ignored.

The Message is a serious and dangerous heap of false teaching.

Sorry, can't make Shoney's restaurant, because my kayak is in getting repaired after a Great White Pointer chomped it in half, when I went to visit a friend in New Zealand.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

Right. Obviously you know what you're talking about. So we agree then that the KJV is not the benchmark but the books that they translated from? You know mate, those books are still around...one of us needs to get our facts straight.

Mate, it's not what I am talking about, it's about knowing HIS WORD, hearing it, and doing it, which is normal Christian life.

Sorry if you misunderstood me, I must have worded a statement wrong, because the KJV is the benchmark, because it's the Authorised Version, and has NO false teaching in it whatsoever, like the watered-down paraphrased versions and The Message.

My facts are straight, and you need to read those few verses that I have posted on the three threads in regards to The Message.

Sad as it is, I'm not the only one who thinks that The Message is a lot of false teaching and is dangerous to the Body of Christ.

So, if you want get anything straight, then show me were The Message is confirming the translation of Greek and Hebrew, then at least that will be one point that can be straightened out.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

dumbing down of the "translation" is dumbing down of the message.... and is a tool that will eventually be used to validate equating the Truth with all the Lies that are out there calling themselves "paths to G-d"

I agree Henaynei, however, I believe God is faithful to finish what HE starts in each persons life. I believe that as one matures in the Lord, God will stir up the hunger and thirst in their hearts to go for more. Eventually, I believer, those who are seeking Him with all their heart will find Him...no matter what Bible translation or paraphrase they are reading.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Desecration? false teaching? twisting? evil? dangerous?

The sky is falling!