"What kind of democracy is this?"

[praying]

For the disenfranchised life is not a whole lot better, if at all.

SADR CITY
In Shiite Enclave, Cheers Have Turned to Fury
By CHRISTINE HAUSER

Published: April 6, 2004

AGHDAD, Iraq, April 5 — Almost a year ago, the Shiites of Sadr City were throwing flowers at American tanks that rumbled into Baghdad ending the rule of their longtime oppressor, Saddam Hussein.

But on Monday, many Iraqis were filling plain wooden coffins with the bodies of their kin and neighbors, killed in a firefight with American armored forces that now patrol their impoverished neighborhood.

"After American forces ended the regime, we wanted to welcome them," said Mohsin Ghassab, a 42-year-old unemployed Iraqi, who is a resident of the predominantly Shiite district. "But now there is no stability."

"They have to withdraw," he said. "To have them in tanks on our streets is unacceptable."

Eight American soldiers and about two dozen Iraqis died in the firefight that erupted Sunday in the streets of the teeming district known as Sadr City, which lies on Baghdad's northeastern rim and is home to more than two million Shiites.

For American forces, the death toll amounted to one of the worst single losses in any confrontation since United States troops overthrew Mr. Hussein last April 9.

For the Iraqis in Sadr City, once among the most repressed of Mr. Hussein's victims, it meant a crushing blow to hopes that had initially flowered after they welcomed American troops with handshakes and cries of welcome last year.

"Freedom under the gun is no freedom at all," said Abdel Karim al-Shara.

Along Chuwadir Street, which slices through the center of Sadr City, the disenchantment and fury about the continued military occupation, the lack of jobs and the instability indicated that the United States may have lost the hearts of a segment of the population it had perhaps initially won over by default.

"The Americans have no more business here," said Juma Majed, 40.

Around him were signs of what happens when war is taken to the doorsteps of a rundown slum teeming with people.

Six American tanks were lined up at a busy intersection, their turrets swinging languidly from side to side as cars and trucks honked and tried to outmaneuver each other to take up what little was left of the intersection. City buses packed with passengers pulled over to the side to make room for passing tanks.

Little girls with schoolbags and old women with vegetable sacks walked past the tanks, guarding a police station that the militiamen had tried to take over.

American soldiers crouched behind concrete blocks, their weapons trained on a huge crowd of Iraqi onlookers, who stood in crowds across the street and stared.

Hand-painted lettering on an abandoned sidewalk juice stand extolled the virtues of apricot nectar. Above the writing, bullet holes shattered the glass. Casings littered the street and greasy coils of rubber, all that was left of burning tires, were plastered in the road.

"What kind of democracy is this?" said Sheik Walid Hassan.

The detritus of battle scattered about the streets called into question the success of the plan for American-backed Iraqi police to take control of the city.

"Mahdi Army men took over the police station," said a young man named Mohammed, speaking of the militiamen. "The Iraqi police don't like problems. So they stepped aside and said, `Welcome.' "

The human costs were in black and white on a list posted on the gates of Chuwadir Hospital, listing 18 people killed, and nearly 80 wounded. A hospital official later put the number of dead at 22.

Frantic Iraqis gathered around the handwritten notice, scanning it for familiar names. "A martyr," one man whispered, as he picked out a name next to which had been scrawled "Dead."

So busy was the hospital that families waited their turns to bring out the bodies, sitting next to corpses until minivans or pickup trucks arrived, and then tying the coffins on top. The body of one old man was laid out on a blanket in the parking lot, a white sheet flapping loosely around his bloody feet and head. Relatives squatted silently next to him.

As herds of goats and sheep feasted on mounds of garbage piled on the median dividing Chuwadir Street, the coffins were transported through the traffic to family homes, one last time, before being taken to the cemetery in the Shiite funeral tradition.

And this was how the body of 63-year-old Salman Naser was carried through the threshold, one last time, for the women of his family and his 12 children to say good-bye.

Members of Mr. Naser's family said he had been shot in the head, sitting in his threshold.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/06/international/middleeast/06SLUM.html

 

[Kelly]

If we leave now, I hope they will enjoy their oppressive Shiite theocracy where differing religious opinions are met with the business end of a Kalashnikov. The Kurds, Sunni's, and especially the minority Christians and Jews who remain in Iraq had better watch their backs.

 

[praying]

I don't think we should leave now, we need to stay to help rebuild what we destroyed. I am not so sure how much difference in terms of government type our presence is going to make in the long run.

 

[Kelly]

If the revolutionaries will only LET us rebuild. They are focusing their violence on non US, civilian (yes, and merc) targets now in an effort to scare them out of the country. Just look at what's going on in Spain. "Leave Iraq now or your streets will run with blood" etc.

They've signed the draft constitution, but that will be a useless piece of paper once we leave. A few bombs and drive by shootings of the oppointed officials and then it's Ayatollah-ville.

 

[Rocinante]

This is just going to get worse.

We DO need to get out.......right now.

 

[JohnCJ]

This is just going to get worse.

We DO need to get out.......right now.

Yeah maybe your right, there are no WMD's so we should just leave and allow the heathen al-quaeda network take over Iraq and yet again leave the Iraqi people with no hope and let all the blood our soldiers have shed so far be proven vain and show that our colors do run.

 

[the_malevolent_milk_man]

I honestly don't see how the situation can get any better from here, everytime we do something that we think will put down the resistance we just **** off more people. The more we fight the more Iraqi's who will want to fight us, when more want to fight us we have to fight even more.

Great line from Jon Stewart last night, forgive me for butchering it a bit.

After US adminstrators shut down the Iraqi paper Da Houza and accused it's publishers of printing articles inciting violence against coalition troops which then incited violence against coalition troops.