What kind of creation would any creator create?

[Percivale]

While any talk of a creator's motivation must be speculation, some motives are certainly more reasonable than others.
Any being powerful and intelligent enough to intentionally create life would not need that life to meet its physical needs--it probably would have none, or would long since have come up with simpler ways of meeting them.
More probable would be mental motives, like making art or a game or entertainment. So one would expect that life designed intelligently would not necessarily have efficiency or perfection of function, if that conflicted with it being interesting in any way. A designer might well enjoy watching its creations overcome obstacles with limited resources, or challenge itself with how little input it could give and still reach the desired goal--a sentient being for instance.

 

[Gottservant]

I find this interesting.

Almost immediately you introduce the notion of positive stress (obstacles for the sake of overcoming them).

Do you think there is any way to describe God that would suggest He has already made Creation a positive stress?

 

[the iconoclast]

I find this interesting.

Almost immediately you introduce the notion of positive stress (obstacles for the sake of overcoming them).

Do you think there is any way to describe God that would suggest He has already made Creation a positive stress?

Can you please explain yourself my vividly. What do you mean by creation being a positive stress?

 

[Gottservant]

Can you please explain yourself my vividly. What do you mean by creation being a positive stress?

I mean that the notion that there are some things in life which it is "fun" to have to deal with and/or overcome, suggests that there is a good reason to try - which is purely psychological.

I may offer you warhead sweets, which are extremely acidic, and you may say, "they're horrible!" - but if I say "its a test of your character" now you have a reason to resist the revulsion you have to their acid... a positive stress.

 

[the iconoclast]

I mean that the notion that there are some things in life which it is "fun" to have to deal with and/or overcome, suggests that there is a good reason to try - which is purely psychological.

I may offer you warhead sweets, which are extremely acidic, and you may say, "they're horrible!" - but if I say "its a test of your character" now you have a reason to resist the revulsion you have to their acid... a positive stress.

It is not a good analogy. Please the again. Warheads and testing?

 

[Gottservant]

It is not a good analogy. Please the again. Warheads and testing?

there is nothing wrong with the analogy, if you cannot specify what is wrong

sorry, I have specified your problem, try again (thanks)

 

[the iconoclast]

there is nothing wrong with the analogy, if you cannot specify what is wrong

sorry, I have specified your problem, try again (thanks)

What is wrong is your comparing testing and god with lollies. Thats why it is not a good analogy

 

[Gottservant]

What is wrong is your comparing testing and god with lollies. Thats why it is not a good analogy

there are similarities between concepts, or the concepts speak of the madness of the one pretending there is not

you may not want to deal with God being on a level with lollies, but I am afraid that is what conversation requires of you - you will just have to develop the necessary character

 

[the iconoclast]

there are similarities between concepts, or the concepts speak of the madness of the one pretending there is not

you may not want to deal with God being on a level with lollies, but I am afraid that is what conversation requires of you - you will just have to develop the necessary character

I need to develop character to debate with you about god and lollies. What religion is religion of freedom?

 

[Gottservant]

I need to develop character to debate with you about god and lollies. What religion is religion of freedom?

there is a connection, I am not saying you will be wasting your time either way, just that if you want to understand, you will have to make (more of) an effort

see the other thread for the rest of your question

 

[the iconoclast]

there is a connection, I am not saying you will be wasting your time either way, just that if you want to understand, you will have to make (more of) an effort

see the other thread for the rest of your question

No you do.

What is religion of freedom?

 

[Gottservant]

No you do.

What is religion of freedom?

interesting, you are not aware of what what I am saying means

let me make it clear, unless you make an effort the conversation will end

 

[Percivale]

Positive stress is a fairly good word for the idea that some things are valuable simply because they give us something to overcome, to exercise our abilities against. Who would want to play football with a team that just went and handed your team the ball?

This thread is not the place to discuss 'religion of freedom'. iconoclast.

 

[Gottservant]

I really hope people answer the spirit of this thread.

 

[the iconoclast]

I really hope people answer the spirit of this thread.

Your the spirit of this thread and you say your christ.

 

[Gottservant]

Your the spirit of this thread and you say your christ.

Easy there, I answered a few of your questions, I never said I was Christ.

Even if I did, it seems you're only interested in cross-examining my theology without offering any of your own.

Life is more than questions, even when the only thing you need is an answer (selah)

 

[the iconoclast]

Easy there, I answered a few of your questions, I never said I was Christ.

Even if I did, it seems you're only interested in cross-examining my theology without offering any of your own.

Life is more than questions, even when the only thing you need is an answer (selah)

You say your equal to god and christ. Hence you say you are christ.

You made statements. Im seeing if they hold up. You put yourself in the situation.

Part of life is questions and learning.

 

[Gottservant]

You say your equal to god and christ. Hence you say you are christ.

You made statements. Im seeing if they hold up. You put yourself in the situation.

Part of life is questions and learning.

You are seeing answers that are not there, because you have your own questions to ask Christ

All I said was that I could sit on Christ's throne, according to Rev 3:21.

 

[the iconoclast]

You are seeing answers that are not there, because you have your own questions to ask Christ

All I said was that I could sit on Christ's throne, according to Rev 3:21.

So hence you are christ. Are you sitting on his throne right now?

 

[Gottservant]

So hence you are christ. Are you sitting on his throne right now?

When a believer wants to sit with Christ on His throne while on Earth, they say I see Christ sitting at the right hand of the Father.

You need to learn not to be so quick to link assertions of what someone is, with what they want.