What is your view on wearing a Crucifix vs Regular Cross?

MrMoe · Mar 7, 2015

I don't remember who said it but I remember hearing a quote from an atheist who said that if Jesus had been executed in modern times, Christians would be wearing tiny electric chairs around their necks. I think it's kind of funny because it's probably true.

Personally I don't need to wear a cross to remember or remind me of what Christ did for us.

I've also seen non Christians wearing crosses just to look stylish, so I don't automatically assume someone is a Christian if I see them wearing a cross.

MoreCoffee · Mar 7, 2015

MrMoe said:
I don't remember who said it but I remember hearing a quote from an atheist who said that if Jesus had been executed in modern times, Christians would be wearing tiny electric chairs around their necks. I think it's kind of funny because it's probably true.

Personally I don't need to wear a cross to remember or remind me of what Christ did for us.

I've also seen non Christians wearing crosses just to look stylish, so I don't automatically assume someone is a Christian if I see them wearing a cross.

I haven't seen many non-christians wearing crucifixes but I do not doubt that some may exist.

CaliforniaJosiah · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14 said:
I wear both but I love the Crucifix, even though I'm not catholic. Some are opposed to wearing the crucifix and I don't understand why?i do prefer the empty cross though because it reminds me of the reserruction

Your thoughts?

Crucifix...... It's my choice and that of my Lutheran church.

BUT (and I'd stress) this is "ADIAPHORON" - a matter about which there is no rule, no "right" or "wrong."

I personally am just a bit uncomfortable with the thought of a Christless, bloodless Cross - a Cross without the Christ. On the other hand, I know the whole "Easter" point - and consider that valid.

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GratiaCorpusChristi · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14 said:
I wear both but I love the Crucifix, even though I'm not catholic. Some are opposed to wearing the crucifix and I don't understand why?i do prefer the empty cross though because it reminds me of the reserruction

Your thoughts?

I think they're both meaningful and both have their place. Maybe a crucifix during Lent and a plain cross during Eastertide.

yogosans14 · Mar 7, 2015

I just bought a regular cross necklace so now I wear a crucifix and a regular "Protestant" cross

yogosans14 · Mar 7, 2015

CaliforniaJosiah said:
Crucifix...... It's my choice and that of my Lutheran church.

BUT (and I'd stress) this is "ADIAPHORON" - a matter about which there is no rule, no "right" or "wrong."

I personally am just a bit uncomfortable with the thought of a Christless, bloodless Cross - a Cross without the Christ. On the other hand, I know the whole "Easter" point - and consider that valid.

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I have seen some beautiful crucifixs inside a Lutheran Church before.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14
I just bought a regular cross necklace so now I wear a crucifix and a regular "Protestant" cross

Knee V said:
I like both, but I prefer the crucifix, as it shows not only the cross, but also the *way* of the cross.

Either "way" sounds good to me......

Isaiah 43:19
Behold! I will do a new thing; now shall it spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a Way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

John 14:6
Jesus is saying to him: "I AM the Way/odoV <3598>, and the Truth, and the Life.
No one is coming toward the Father except thru Me".

Reve 12:
5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to be shepherding all the nations with a rod of iron;
and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.

......................

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prodromos · Mar 7, 2015

MrMoe said:
I don't remember who said it but I remember hearing a quote from an atheist who said that if Jesus had been executed in modern times, Christians would be wearing tiny electric chairs around their necks. I think it's kind of funny because it's probably true.

Personally I don't need to wear a cross to remember or remind me of what Christ did for us.

I've also seen non Christians wearing crosses just to look stylish, so I don't automatically assume someone is a Christian if I see them wearing a cross.

I don't recall anywhere in the Old Testament Prophets, where they even hint at Him being strapped into a chair and being hit by lightning. Having said that, I'm sure someone will find just such a verse

yogosans14 · Mar 7, 2015

MrMoe said:
I don't remember who said it but I remember hearing a quote from an atheist who said that if Jesus had been executed in modern times, Christians would be wearing tiny electric chairs around their necks. I think it's kind of funny because it's probably true.

Personally I don't need to wear a cross to remember or remind me of what Christ did for us.

I've also seen non Christians wearing crosses just to look stylish, so I don't automatically assume someone is a Christian if I see them wearing a cross.

Not a good argument. We would probabaly use another symbol to represent our Christian Faith if Jesus died in "electric chair.

yogosans14 · Mar 7, 2015

Nonetheless we should be showing Christ through our actions not our Christian jewerly.

MoreCoffee · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14 said:
Nonetheless we should be showing Christ through our actions not our Christian jewerly.

Why not both? Why not show Christ both through the things we do & say as well as through the sign of the cross worn about our person?

ViaCrucis · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14 said:
Not a good argument. We would probabaly use another symbol to represent our Christian Faith if Jesus died in "electric chair.

Given the relationship we as a society have to the electric chair it's not really the same relationship first century Jewish society had with the cross.

A better more contemporary comparison is the African American community's relationship with the lynching tree. Because the purpose of the Roman cross to instill terror and forced cooperation among the the occupied peoples so they "knew their place" is very similar to the use of the lynching tree among the white and powerful of the American South in order to terrorize black communities so that they "knew their place".

So if you want something more contemporary that demonstrates the scandalous meaning of the cross as a symbol, then the lynching tree is probably the closest we have in recent memory.

The point here is what the cross meant as intended by the Romans, and how in Christ what that cross became in the Church; the Roman cross lost all its power, and in its place was the cross of Jesus Christ, the emblem of the victory of God for the people of God.

-CryptoLutheran

MrMoe · Mar 7, 2015

yogosans14 said:
Not a good argument. We would probabaly use another symbol to represent our Christian Faith if Jesus died in "electric chair.

A lightning bolt perhaps?

yogosans14 said:
Nonetheless we should be showing Christ through our actions not our Christian jewerly.

Yes.

MoreCoffee said:
Why not both? Why not show Christ both through the things we do & say as well as through the sign of the cross worn about our person?

As long as there is evidence of your faith besides what your wear, otherwise you're just a poser.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 7, 2015

ViaCrucis said:
Given the relationship we as a society have to the electric chair it's not really the same relationship first century Jewish society had with the cross.

A better more contemporary comparison is the African American community's relationship with the lynching tree. Because the purpose of the Roman cross to instill terror and forced cooperation among the the occupied peoples so they "knew their place" is very similar to the use of the lynching tree among the white and powerful of the American South in order to terrorize black communities so that they "knew their place".

So if you want something more contemporary that demonstrates the scandalous meaning of the cross as a symbol, then the lynching tree is probably the closest we have in recent memory.

The point here is what the cross meant as intended by the Romans, and how in Christ what that cross became in the Church; the Roman cross lost all its power, and in its place was the cross of Jesus Christ, the emblem of the victory of God for the people of God.

-CryptoLutheran

Ironically, the generation of Jews that had given up Jesus to be crucified by the Romans, were in turn crucifed by the 1000s in AD 70 according to Josephus......

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

Luke 19:43
For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

This prophecy of Jesus came to pass exactly as he stated. When General Titus had laid siege to Jerusalem, one of the first things the Roman army did was to dig a trench around Jerusalem and use the dirt to make an embankment. These great mounds of dirt had prevented anyone from escaping into the woods.

Many of them had been caught and crucified - some five hundred every day. (The soldiers had amused themselves by nailing their victims in different postures.) The Romans decided to starve the enemies into surrender. In three days, Jerusalem was surrounded with an eight kilometer long palisade. All trees within fifteen kilometres of the city were cut down.

They had even chopped down trees so there would be bare land between Jerusalem and the forest and this way if someone did make it past the embankment, they would have no cover of forest and would be spotted immediately and killed. It is said that the Romans crucified so many Jews, that they actually ran out of trees. About one million Jews died in the siege.....................

Reve 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great...............................

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MoreCoffee · Mar 7, 2015

MrMoe said:
As long as there is evidence of your faith besides what your wear, otherwise you're just a poser.

Seems odd to me to be looking for exceptions as some sort of reason not to bother with a crucifix.

MrMoe · Mar 8, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Seems odd to me to be looking for exceptions as some sort of reason not to bother with a crucifix.

It doesn't seem odd to me at all. James said in his book "faith without works is dead" so a Christian cross without Christian faith would just be decoration.

Here's a photo of a rapper wearing a cross who says he is not a Christian and doesn't believe in hell.

Personally I would prefer if he didn't wear a cross. How about you MC?

MoreCoffee · Mar 8, 2015

MrMoe said:
It doesn't seem odd to me at all. James said in his book "faith without works is dead" so a Christian cross without Christian faith would just be decoration.

Here's a photo of a rapper wearing a cross who says he is not a Christian and doesn't believe in hell.

Personally I would prefer if he didn't wear a cross. How about you MC?

Is he is Oz?

It's a cross, I was talking about a crucifix.

What he wears is up to him. A Christian is a different matter altogether.

yogosans14 · Mar 8, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Why not both? Why not show Christ both through the things we do & say as well as through the sign of the cross worn about our person?

We can but what I meant was if we're wearing a crucifix or a cross and we go around acting exactly like the world then we shouldn't wear one at all because it will give christianity a bad look.

MoreCoffee · Mar 8, 2015

yogosans14 said:
We can but what I meant was if we're wearing a crucifix or a cross and we go around acting exactly like the world then we shouldn't wear one at all because it will give christianity a bad look.

Better still, one who wears a crucifix ought to remember the price paid for his soul and live life as a servant of God.

LittleLambofJesus · Mar 8, 2015

MoreCoffee said:
Better still, one who wears a crucifix ought to remember the price paid for his soul and live life as a servant of God.

Excellent!

Isaiah 52:3
For thus says YAHWEH, "Ye were sold for nothing
and ye will be redeemed without money."

1 Corinthians 7:23
Of value/honor ye are bought/hgorasqhte <59>, no be ye becoming! bond servents of men.

1Peter 1:
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,
19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

Revelation 5:9
and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art Thouto take the scroll, and to open the seals of it,
because Thou wast slain/slaughtered, and didst purchase/hgorasaV <59> us to God in Thy blood, out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation [Hosea 13:14]

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