What is your view on getting in to Heaven?

Carri20 said:

Congratulations for thinking exactly what Satan wants you to think. When will this mainstream madness end? (No answering necessary--it's in the Bible. I was asking that question rhetorically. If that's even the appropriate word and spelling for this situation. I'm too tired right now to check.)

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Rom 2:6-8
6 God "will give to each person according to what he has done." 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(from New International Version)

Prov 11:19
9 The truly righteous man attains life,
but he who pursues evil goes to his death.
(from New International Version)

It does not sound to me like the idea is from Satan.

Carri20 said:

Congratulations for thinking exactly what Satan wants you to think. When will this mainstream madness end?

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We are proud to present!

Straight from the New Testament!

Matthew 25:31-46!

Matthew 25:31-4631 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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Well shoot, that pretty much toasts your complaint, doesn't it?

Romans 10:9"That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is lord and believe in your heart that GOD raised him from the dead you will be saved.

"Romans 6:23"For the wages of sin is death,but the gift of GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Acts 2:21"And everyone who calls on the name of the lord will be saved."

John 3:16"For GOD so loved the world that HE gave his one and only son,that Whoever believes in HIM shall not perish but have eternal life.For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world,but to save the world through him."

John 1:9"If we confess our sins,He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

Psalm 32:5"Then i acknowledged my sins to you and did not cover up my iniquity.I said,iwill confess my transgressions to the LORD,and you forgave the guilt of my sin."

Romans 3:22"This righteousness from GOD comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.There is no difference,for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of GOD,and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

Galatians 5:24"Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

Romans 10:17"Consequently,faith comes hearing the message,and the message is heard through the word of Christ."

John 5:24"I tell you the truth ,whoever hears my word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned he has crossed over from death to life."

Romans 10:12"For there is no difference between jew and gentile the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on Him for everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

2 Corinthians 5:17"Therefore,if anyone is in Christ,he is a new creation the old has gone the new has come."I Believe that if you have faith in Jesus Christ and believe he died for are sins and rose from the dead that you will have eternal life in heaven.Just becuase you believe in Jesus dose not mean you should go and start sinning more.You should put your sinful way of life to death.Read Ephesians 4:28 to 4:32 Also read Romans 12:17 to 12:19.

Romans 6:1"Shall we go on sining so that grace may increase?By no means!We died to sin, how can we live in it any longer"GOD BLESS.

Jews will not go to heaven because the Heaven of the New Testament does not exist in the Hebrew bible. So since the Heaven does not exist there is no way to get there. BTW there is no Hell of eternal torment in the Hebrew bible either.

Carri20 said:

The bottom line is there are two kinds of people in this world and your eternal destination will depend on which type you are:

TYPE A: Saved by the blood of Christ. Heaven-bound.

TYPE B: Refused the blood of Christ. Hell-bound.

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A cliche like "The bottom line" is a good way to end a conversation.

tocis said:

Uh?!
Just to give but one example to the contrary, I'm a heathen (specifically, an Asatruar) and do not take it for granted at all that I will go to whatever kind of "heaven" after death.
I do hope that I might end up in Valhalla, but comparing that to the christian heaven is... at least daring.

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SCA crown tournaments are sort of like Vallhalla! And one can go there most weekends in Spring and Summer.

Carri20 said:

Congratulations for thinking exactly what Satan wants you to think.

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Satan wants us to think that there are rewards in store for nice people who do good things? Oh dear, anything but that!

Carri20 said:

Congratulations for thinking exactly what Satan wants you to think. When will this mainstream madness end? (No answering necessary--it's in the Bible. I was asking that question rhetorically. If that's even the appropriate word and spelling for this situation. I'm too tired right now to check.)

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If Satan represents logic, reason and common sense, then I guess we're all confused.

The idea that there must be a rational basis for why some may spend eternity in a good place, and others eternity in a terrible place is not a Satanic one. I understand some people's interpretation of Christian texts to indicate a particular kind of faith is the key, and not works. However, even Christians disagree on the issue of attaining salvation. Millions of Christians subscribe to a more Calvinistic approach to salvation, where God determined before time began who would be saved, and there is nothing anyone can do themselves towards that end. As such, the idea that one must only accept Jesus, etc., to go to heaven is not an accurate biblical interpretation of who gets to heaven.

Other Christian denominations, Catholics, for example, hold that some non-christians can have their own relationship with God and still get to heaven. Jews would be an example.

Some of us start with the position that if there is a loving, eternal God, such a being must necessarily be rational, which even we humans should be able to comprehend at least to a certain extent. The notion that good works count for nothing, and people like Ghandi, Einstein, and the Dali Lama all have eternity in hell to look forward to, is simply not rational by any standard of an eternal, loving God. And if someone's interpretation of such a God appears so blatently irrational (i.e. some writings in the Bible), then perhaps they must be discarded.

Just a thought...

peepnklown said:

For millions of years we did not exist, had no thoughts, and felt nothing…that is your afterlife.

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Everybody, get in line to invite this guy to your next birthday party!

Hungry Hungry Hippo said:

You have to buy the stairway.

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If Christ was good enough to die for me, he certainly will not be bad enough to damn me for honestly failing to believe in his divinity. - Robert Ingersoll


For the life of me, I cannot figure out whether this statement overestimates Christ, or amazingly underestimates Christ. Either way, the statment is problematical.

Agape

Jesus the Son of Mary will most likely not condem those who take GOD at His word and obey His commands not to worship anY THING OTHER THAN GOD the Father. Jesus said it is the Father within me who does these good things. Jesus was not Catholic.

Malex said:

As it turns out, all have sinned and rebelled against God. Jesus said that the simple act of calling your brother a fool can get you into hell. People certainly can do worse. The verdict for rebellion against any of God's ten commandments is eternal punishment in hell, but luckily, he sent his one and only son to die for us and act as a sacrifice for our sins. The only way to get into heaven is to take this perfect gift he's given us.

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wOW I AM GLAD THAT MY GOD WILL NOT BE SO CAPRICIOUSLY AUTHORITAIRIAN AN CRUEL AS THE DEMON YOU SEEM TO WORSHIP.

Sounds Like It Was The Prelife.

Heaven is an unprovable opinion and one opinion is as valid as the opinion of another. I do not want to spend eternity locked up with a bunch of religious child molesters either, and If it is their Heaven then I'll take the outer darkness or Hell as a preference.

Soul Searcher said:

According to Jesus he that keepth my commandments is he that loveth me.

I believe some or all people will go to heaven not just christians.

The bible does not say that Jesus is the saviour of christians.
It does say...
Jesus is the saviour of the world, especially them that believe.

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Where does Jesus say that he, Jesus, is savior of all mankind?

Not like the man in the SciFi channel commercials? Ah shucks.
"Jesus didn't sprout wings and float up into the sky on ascension day. He isn't going to fly down for a second coming."

Ok umm that answer is really simple if you belive in the Bible that it is fully inspired by God and everything in it is true. Because in John 3:3 it says "Unless a man be born agin he will in no wise enter the kingdom of heave" if you have questions about being born again just read the whole Book of John.

johnnystaycool said:

What do you believe are some of the basic requirements? Do some or all muslims go to Heaven, do some or all Jews get into heave, do some or all Christians get into Heaven...etc.

I ask this for those of you coming from a Christian perspective because it is obvious that those in religions other than Christianity would believe they were going to Heaven.

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John 5:28-29

Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice and come out - those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.


If you are a good person, you will go to heaven


God Bless ya!

You know, one of the biggest problems with Christians today, is that being "saved" is only a ticket to Heaven. There is sooo much more to following Christ than Him being your personal Savior. The Bible is not God's love story to you. Getting saved is not just a ticket the Heaven. I would say more, but supper is burning.... bbl.