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The "rebellion" referred to the Jewish revolt (66–73 CE), specifically 69 CE, and the "man of lawlessness" referred to Vespasian, who, at the time, led a legion of the Imperial Roman army, and was appointed and sent by Caesar Nero (and continued after his death), to suppress the Jewish revolt underway in Judea. This is what is meant by that the rebellion would reveal him. He was responsible for the destruction of Temple in 70 CE, and the slaughtering and deporting of many Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea. There are some accounts that say after breaching through the innermost part of the Temple, he glorified himself. He was worshipped in the Empire during his life as divi Vespasian."For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3
The "rebellion" referred to the Jewish revolt (66–73 CE), specifically 69 CE, and the "man of lawlessness" referred to Vespasian, who, at the time, led a legion of the Imperial Roman army, and was appointed and sent by Caesar Nero (and continued after his death), to suppress the Jewish revolt underway in Judea. This is what is meant by that the rebellion would reveal him. He was responsible for the destruction of Temple in 70 CE, and the slaughtering and deporting of many Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea. There are some accounts that say after breaching through the innermost part of the Temple, he glorified himself. He was worshipped in the Empire during his life as divi Vespasian.
When I read 'The Wars of the Jews' for the first time, my eyes were opened. The parallels with Scripture, like Matthew 24 and Luke 21, is astonishing. What a horrible time to have lived through!The man of lawlessness could have been one of the messianic claimints leading up to and during the war. It seems from Josephus' account that either John of Giscala or Simon bar Giora (and probably both of them) tried to set themselves up as messiah in the temple during the war.
Ether way, I take the "falling away" the be the Jewish Rebellion against Rome in 66-73. Paul's comment is easily understood in light of the nationalistic fervor in Judea and the way of armed violence against Rome. During the war against Rome, they literally turned the temple area into a "den of 'lestai' (literally: rebels)"
Falling Away -- "apostasy"... brings in the dark ages...In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
Yes from a modern day angle, the various heads of different religions getting together to form a side gig of world religion while supporting the WEF and rewriting the ten commandments while at Sinai to be about the environment, seems to be a bit of a falling away from the Kingdom of God as they fully immerse themselves in the world of man in order to stay relevantWhat is the falling away? We are living in it.
In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
Could be King Herod Agrippa II. He left Jerusalem in 66AD. He was certainly corrupt and lawless. Most definitely a son of perdition.In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
Falling away means apostasy, rebellion, but here Paul is speaking of active rebellion, the supreme opposition of evil to the things of God led by the man of lawlessness (anti-Christ).In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
It can also mean departure. Many years ago it was the first word usedIn 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
Yes, I agree, if it were about faith, then Paul's words would appear cryptic. It is clear that the word does not refer to the faith otherwise it would include it.To conclude 2Th 2:3 is falling away from the faith is as ludicrous as concluding that 2Th 2:3 is a falling away from Moses and the circumcision (actually Act 21:21 would be the more responsible conclusion if we were going that route ….as they are both a feminine noun)
We don’t get to add words based on our assumption and clearly there is no justification to add either Moses or the faith in 2Th 2:3.
But for those who can conclude that the word should be translated a falling away ….after seeing how it is used as a verb… and as a cognitive neuter noun ….that is fine, whatever floats your belief…. I can live with that…. it does not alter the rapture conclusion one bit. However… you don’t get to add any words such as the faith to the conclusion of your belief…. unless you are God. If God had wanted the word faith in there …it would be there …it’s not. And there is no place in the context of 2Th 2:3 that depicts…. a falling away from the faith.
A falling away (departure) from the faith. Just like Paul also wrote about here:In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
A significant departing - one Paul expected all to recognize.In 2 Thess 2:3 reads , Let no man deceive you by any means , for that DAY shall not come , EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST , , and that man of sin be revealed , the Son of Perdition .
What does " FALLING AWAY MEAN " ?
What say you ?
dan p
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