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simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Ask the Father in heaven IF His Word is Truth, IF He is REAL, to show you.
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Ask the Father in heaven IF His Word is Truth, IF He is REAL, to show you.Why should there be a presumption that "his word is truth?" If a prophecy fails, then it surely isn't truth.
Who knows? Or, perhaps they could be seen as false prophecies, which is my point and question.Prophecy to be fulfilled when ?
I never got an answer from the bible's god.Ask the Father in heaven IF His Word is Truth, IF He is REAL, to show you.
The enemy of Christ and those who trust the enemy all claim God's Promise is false.Who knows? Or, perhaps they could be seen as false prophecies, which is my point and question.
That's not surprising.I never got an answer from the bible's god.
There is also the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that seems to describe an immediate afterlife of a disembodied soul with a heaven and a hell. The rich man wants to warn his still living relatives which indicates immediate afterlife of a disembodied soul rather than a general resurrection of body and soulI think the focus on a disembodied soul is also related to the difficulties inherent in making sense of continuity of self from the current body to the resurrected body. It's like a premodern Star Trek problem: if I go into the transporter, get dematerialized and then rematerialized elsewhere, am I still me? Christian revelation of course says, "Yes, you are," but that leads to the question of how that can be the case. Enter the immaterial soul.
I don't know how that turned into people completely disregarding the resurrection of the body, though. That said, it's possible to simultaneously adhere to a general resurrection without caring too much about the Second Coming. Not completely orthodox, but I like John Polkinghorne's quantum take on it, where a cosmos made new might entail an entirely parallel universe. Obviously the laws of physics would need a complete overhaul for our own universe to be transfigured in the necessary way. Maybe it will be, or maybe it's already happened elsewhere. Who knows?
I recently realized that this conservative attitude is simply Occam's Razor applied by a fundamentalist rather than an atheist. Occam's Razor says that the explanation requiring the smallest adjustment to current models should be selected. Just as a metaphysical naturalist will dismiss UFO reports that would require radical rethinking of physics, a fundamentalist will reject reasons to doubt the Bible using only the tiniest of fig leaves as an excuse. In both cases the evidence can be dismissed with statements like "well I'm sure there is an explanation even though it isn't obvious to me right now.", etc.Well, exactly. God cannot lie, so that Ben faced with Him saying something which would be called a lie if anyone else said it, Christians must believe there is another explanation.
The obvious explanation, that the Christian religion is wrong, cannot be contemplated.
oops... false premise....that was supposed to happen within the lifetimes of the listeners
Did you ever see in person a living horse ?"well I'm sure there is an explanation even though it isn't obvious to me right now.",
It has nothing at all to do with soul sleep doctrines or ideas.Several of my relatives have been comforted or aided by deceased loved ones. I suspect that a survey would show a significant percentage of the population has had similar experiences. A Christian is left to choose between dismissing these experiences as psychological/demonic deceptions or dismissing the "soul sleep" belief.
When the actual truth is known, eternal life is not only appealing, but eagerly looked forward to.There is also the original Jewish belief in Sheol. The prophet Samuel is called back from Sheol in the form of a grumpy shade, angry to be awakened from his eternal rest. So that is an immediate afterlife, but it isn't very appealing
Key word: "seems". A common false idea, btw.seems to describe an immediate afterlife of a disembodied soul with a heaven and a hell.
There is also the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that seems to describe an immediate afterlife of a disembodied soul with a heaven and a hell. The rich man wants to warn his still living relatives which indicates immediate afterlife of a disembodied soul rather than a general resurrection of body and soul
Rich man and Lazarus - Wikipedia
Also there are personal experiences of ghosts. Several of my relatives have been comforted or aided by deceased loved ones. I suspect that a survey would show a significant percentage of the population has had similar experiences. A Christian is left to choose between dismissing these experiences as psychological/demonic deceptions or dismissing the "soul sleep" belief.
In most cases I post to briefly relieve depression. Religion interests me and diverts my mind from more depressing thoughts. Social interaction is also helpful in relieving depression. I am not trying to convert anybody although I am pleased when others read my thoughts and think they are interesting and worthy of their replies.When the actual truth is known, eternal life is not only appealing, but eagerly looked forward to.
All the false teachings you present in post after posts after posts, in many threads, are all attempts at what? Comfort? Gaining/ having an audience ? Getting approval from your friends ? what ?
That brings me back to my original question: assuming that your god desires all mankind to believe in his claims and prophecies, how can we - those who do not follow him - accurately judge whether they are delayed, rather than false?The enemy of Christ and those who trust the enemy all claim God's Promise is false.
The followers of Jesus and everyone abiding in Him all know that all of God's Promises are truth.
I assume that your god desires non-believers to receive answers from him.That's not surprising.
Most people of the world never get an answer from Him either.
I was thinking about a thread dedicated to the influence of Plato on Christian theology and whether or not that is an appropriate influence. Did Jesus know Plato's ideas and did he share them? I have a suspicion that Plato's influence goes back to the very earliest Christians but was not a conscious influence. The Christians with Hellenistic educations may have assumed Plato's ideas without realizing that they were foreign contaminants and then these Christians became the earliest theologians.I could be wrong, but I think the traditional approach is some sort of disembodied existence in God's presence before the general resurrection. Hard to make sense of the communion of saints otherwise.
The problem with ghosts, UFOs, and paranormal in general is that many of the people involved have long ago sold-out any real interest they might have had in truth. Most of the books are written to make money and the facts are distorted. Ghosts are probably worse than UFOs, because at least UFOs were a national security concern briefly and handled with some integrity. Also UFOs occasionally leave some evidence on radars and things.Well, that runs into the problem of subjective experience. Ghost stories are too far outside of my experience for me to believe in them, but that doesn't mean they're not true. I don't dismiss them, but I also don't trust them.
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