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How would you describe your "endtime" view?
LDG
There is only one true interpretation of Revelations.......You make your self wrong the moment you add, any other book ,or part of any book of the bible,or version , and move it, or take anything ,out of the book of revelations.When you do that .You are messing up the alignment ,that has hidden the message of the Seven Thunders in Revelations for 2000 years......And Revelations is not what will get you to heaven. If you propagate deliberate a lie, that is ,what I think is wrong. Tampering with the word of God.To be able to interpret Revelations, is a blessing, that has it's own rewards ........Remember we didn't use any other books, or change the order ,or take away ,the words from the book of Revelations, to achieve the conclusion.Thanks for proving my point .
And many people have charts, You are right there to, but none of them show that if you use Revelations only ,there is structure to the book. It explains itself seven times to the seven Church's ........Revelations is a stand alone book ,it proves it self. I have been at this for forty years and there has not been one, that could prove me wrong. Show me in side Rev. where I am wrong, and do me a favor.
How would you describe your "endtime" view?
LDG
WOW!
40 years?
And you still don't know there is no 's' in "Revelation"?
C'mon Walt, can we really take you're assertions about the complexities of the book seriously when you continue to display, over and over and over again, such blatant ignorance about something as simple as the Title?[/quote]
You don't have to believe this if you don't want to,And I know it is hard to believe.The prophets did not get this either for 2000 years.
And it is Revelations ,plural not singular.
actually eight ,thunders in Revelations.
Try to think of eight dimensions ,all happening at once ,in the same time frame.
All happening at the same time.
Have I got you mixed up all ready?Right.
We are use to thinking in three dimentions,Right.
Well the seven Church's,all have seven stories.
And that is the
Seven Thunders .
1. st.,Thunder ,7 Seals.Thunder ,The sealed in Christ.the union no.
2. nd,Thunder ,7 Trumpets,2 = unity with Christ.
3. rd.Thunder ,The trinity no. Father, son,spirit = witnesses.
4. th.Thunder ,No. of EARTH = 4 ,All numbers are in Germania.
---------All four = Four horse's ,4 spirits that roam the EARTH.
5th. The Word Thunder ,The word of God. preaching,Prophecy to the World..
6th. The man Thunder ,6 = no. for man . 6 vials
7th. The Divine Thunder,Starts with a White horse and ends with a White horse.
8th. thunder,Rev14/2 the new beginning with Christ,The Great Thunder.
So now you have Seven Revelations ,to Seven Churchs.Rev.10/4,The little scroll.
Next ,you have The Great Thunder ,Rev. 14/2 That binds all the Seven Thunders together ,Between the White horse's.
So really you have eight Thunders,not just one.That is why ,This has been hidden for just under 2000 years,And Revelations is a stand alone book ,it is a sin against Christ ,Re.22/18 ,to add to ,or take away from the words of this book.
Still got you confused?
Well ,Christ did this not me.Take it out with him.walt2000
And that is why I call it eight Thunders of Revelations.walt2000
You, of course can call anything by any name you choose, and if people understand you, it still works.
But God Gave this book a title, which we find in Revelation 1:1.
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;"
If you want to be scriptural, use scriptural terms. Otherwise, you only demonstrate that you do not care about the words God used.
I believe that Jesus returns after the tribualtion, b4 the Millennium to set up His Kingdom here on earth. At His post tribulational return He will first resurrect the just, then translate the living saints (the posttrib rapture), and destroy the wicked. At some point in this process there will be Jews that haven't accepted Jesus as Messiah, but have not bowed to the anti christ either, these Jewish people will see Jesus returning and realize in the hearts He is Messiah. They will be spared the destruction of the wicked and enter into the Millennium in there natural bodies (this is the fulfillment of the Jewish people being saved in one day after the age of the gentiles). Those that were resurrected and/ or raptured receive their heavenly bodies at the the resurrection and/ or rapture, they return with Christ in their immortal, heavenly bodies to reign with Him as kings as priest during the Millennium. The spared Jewish people will enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and will reproduce, and populate the Millennium with natural born offspring.End-time view:
My end-time view is the standard dispensational view. That is, a belief in the pretribulational rapture and a (future) premillennial reign of Christ on earth.
Organization or denominational background:
I'm a long-time member of a non-denominational Bible church. Most of the members are also premillennial dispensationalists. Before the Bible church, I was a member of the overwhelmingly amillennial Church of Christ. That made for some interesting discussions from time to time.
Other thoughts on end-times:
I have never held any other end-time view beside the dispensational pretrib/premil view. However I've had many interesting and profitable conversations with folks who hold different views than mine. I'm pretty certain I've covered all the major ones, and a good number of the minor ones (including full preterists).
LDG
Come on here, Christ Gave this to John .
I believe that Jesus returns after the tribualtion, b4 the Millennium to set up His Kingdom here on earth. At His post tribulational return He will first resurrect the just, then translate the living saints (the posttrib rapture), and destroy the wicked. At some point in this process there will be Jews that haven't accepted Jesus as Messiah, but have not bowed to the anti christ either, these Jewish people will see Jesus returning and realize in the hearts He is Messiah. They will be spared the destruction of the wicked and enter into the Millennium in there natural bodies (this is the fulfillment of the Jewish people being saved in one day after the age of the gentiles). Those that were resurrected and/ or raptured receive their heavenly bodies at the the resurrection and/ or rapture, they return with Christ in their immortal, heavenly bodies to reign with Him as kings as priest during the Millennium. The spared Jewish people will enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and will reproduce, and populate the Millennium with natural born offspring.
This may seem like a strange belief to some, but after formulating this belief by studying scripture I was surprised to find out it was the teaching of the 1st century church ( the direct students of the Apostles) it is called Historical Pre-millennialism, Google it.
It is also the clear teaching of Jesus, Paul, the apostles, and scripture.
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