What is your "endtime" view?

[Notrash]

I am not an attorney, but I spent years writing legal papers for attorneys.

Philip Mauro was an attorney. He was involved in the Scopes trial (monkey business). I think you might find his writings defensible and very easy to read as he seems to have been an excellent communicator.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/m/mauro-philip.html

 

[stone]

How would you describe your "endtime" view?
LDG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozJVDczY4Ms&feature=related

 

[stone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1blRT2hi10&NR=1

 

[parousia70]

There is only one true interpretation of Revelations.......You make your self wrong the moment you add, any other book ,or part of any book of the bible,or version , and move it, or take anything ,out of the book of revelations.When you do that .You are messing up the alignment ,that has hidden the message of the Seven Thunders in Revelations for 2000 years......And Revelations is not what will get you to heaven. If you propagate deliberate a lie, that is ,what I think is wrong. Tampering with the word of God.To be able to interpret Revelations, is a blessing, that has it's own rewards ........Remember we didn't use any other books, or change the order ,or take away ,the words from the book of Revelations, to achieve the conclusion.Thanks for proving my point .
And many people have charts, You are right there to, but none of them show that if you use Revelations only ,there is structure to the book. It explains itself seven times to the seven Church's ........Revelations is a stand alone book ,it proves it self. I have been at this for forty years and there has not been one, that could prove me wrong. Show me in side Rev. where I am wrong, and do me a favor.

WOW!
40 years?
And you still don't know there is no 's' in "Revelation"?

C'mon Walt, can we really take you're assertions about the complexities of the book seriously when you continue to display, over and over and over again, such blatant ignorance about something as simple as the Title?

 

[parousia70]

How would you describe your "endtime" view?

LDG

Biblical Preterist
Creedal Futurist

 

[walt2000]

WOW!
40 years?
And you still don't know there is no 's' in "Revelation"?

C'mon Walt, can we really take you're assertions about the complexities of the book seriously when you continue to display, over and over and over again, such blatant ignorance about something as simple as the Title?[/quote]

You don't have to believe this if you don't want to,And I know it is hard to believe.The prophets did not get this either for 2000 years.
And it is Revelations ,plural not singular.
actually eight ,thunders in Revelations.

Try to think of eight dimensions ,all happening at once ,in the same time frame.
All happening at the same time.
Have I got you mixed up all ready?Right.

We are use to thinking in three dimentions,Right.
Well the seven Church's,all have seven stories.
And that is the
Seven Thunders .
1. st.,Thunder ,7 Seals.Thunder ,The sealed in Christ.the union no.
2. nd,Thunder ,7 Trumpets,2 = unity with Christ.
3. rd.Thunder ,The trinity no. Father, son,spirit = witnesses.
4. th.Thunder ,No. of EARTH = 4 ,All numbers are in Germania.
---------All four = Four horse's ,4 spirits that roam the EARTH.

5th. The Word Thunder ,The word of God. preaching,Prophecy to the World..

6th. The man Thunder ,6 = no. for man . 6 vials

7th. The Divine Thunder,Starts with a White horse and ends with a White horse.

8th. thunder,Rev14/2 the new beginning with Christ,The Great Thunder.

So now you have Seven Revelations ,to Seven Churchs.Rev.10/4,The little scroll.
Next ,you have The Great Thunder ,Rev. 14/2 That binds all the Seven Thunders together ,Between the White horse's.
So really you have eight Thunders,not just one.That is why ,This has been hidden for just under 2000 years,And Revelations is a stand alone book ,it is a sin against Christ ,Re.22/18 ,to add to ,or take away from the words of this book.
Still got you confused?
Well ,Christ did this not me.Take it out with him.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

And that is why I call it eight Thundershttp://christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=117001&d=1219104052 of Revelations.walt2000

 

[Biblewriter]

And that is why I call it eight Thunders of Revelations.walt2000

You, of course can call anything by any name you choose, and if people understand you, it still works.

But God Gave this book a title, which we find in Revelation 1:1.

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;"

If you want to be scriptural, use scriptural terms. Otherwise, you only demonstrate that you do not care about the words God used.

 

[walt2000]

You, of course can call anything by any name you choose, and if people understand you, it still works.

But God Gave this book a title, which we find in Revelation 1:1.

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;"

If you want to be scriptural, use scriptural terms. Otherwise, you only demonstrate that you do not care about the words God used.

Well You are right ,but It is a play with words,there is Eight divisions in The book of Revelation how is that .It was reveled to me as a Eight divisional book.Eight stories dividing the book all interwoven together giveing us ,Revelation.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

 

[Uphill Battle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEaBEM7QH2Q

 

[walt2000]

If you want to be scriptural, use scriptural terms. Otherwise, you only demonstrate that you do not care about the words God used.

What is the true word used,Before English got to it, reveling ?
walt2000
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[onwingsaseagles]

End-time view:
My end-time view is the standard dispensational view. That is, a belief in the pretribulational rapture and a (future) premillennial reign of Christ on earth.

Organization or denominational background:
I'm a long-time member of a non-denominational Bible church. Most of the members are also premillennial dispensationalists. Before the Bible church, I was a member of the overwhelmingly amillennial Church of Christ. That made for some interesting discussions from time to time.

Other thoughts on end-times:
I have never held any other end-time view beside the dispensational pretrib/premil view. However I've had many interesting and profitable conversations with folks who hold different views than mine. I'm pretty certain I've covered all the major ones, and a good number of the minor ones (including full preterists).


LDG

I believe that Jesus returns after the tribualtion, b4 the Millennium to set up His Kingdom here on earth. At His post tribulational return He will first resurrect the just, then translate the living saints (the posttrib rapture), and destroy the wicked. At some point in this process there will be Jews that haven't accepted Jesus as Messiah, but have not bowed to the anti christ either, these Jewish people will see Jesus returning and realize in the hearts He is Messiah. They will be spared the destruction of the wicked and enter into the Millennium in there natural bodies (this is the fulfillment of the Jewish people being saved in one day after the age of the gentiles). Those that were resurrected and/ or raptured receive their heavenly bodies at the the resurrection and/ or rapture, they return with Christ in their immortal, heavenly bodies to reign with Him as kings as priest during the Millennium. The spared Jewish people will enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and will reproduce, and populate the Millennium with natural born offspring.

This may seem like a strange belief to some, but after formulating this belief by studying scripture I was surprised to find out it was the teaching of the 1st century church ( the direct students of the Apostles) it is called Historical Pre-millennialism, Google it.

It is also the clear teaching of Jesus, Paul, the apostles, and scripture.

 

[walt2000]

This is my end time view of Revelaton,Eight revelations the Revelation story

 

[walt2000]

The Revelations Seven Thunders.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Come on here, Christ Gave this to John .
I gave you some thing that was reveled to me ,It took me about forty years to figure out how to put it down in a form that you should understand .I think you should see a lot of information in it,Not one comment?
This page proves every body wrong ,There must be some intelligence out there. You say you can't see any thing in it,come on now.Either I am the smartest person on the face of the Earth out there or ,or the only Christian .Your Christian ????? Narrow is the road through the gates,leading to heaven.Wide is the Great River leading to ?????.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

I believe that Jesus returns after the tribualtion, b4 the Millennium to set up His Kingdom here on earth. At His post tribulational return He will first resurrect the just, then translate the living saints (the posttrib rapture), and destroy the wicked. At some point in this process there will be Jews that haven't accepted Jesus as Messiah, but have not bowed to the anti christ either, these Jewish people will see Jesus returning and realize in the hearts He is Messiah. They will be spared the destruction of the wicked and enter into the Millennium in there natural bodies (this is the fulfillment of the Jewish people being saved in one day after the age of the gentiles). Those that were resurrected and/ or raptured receive their heavenly bodies at the the resurrection and/ or rapture, they return with Christ in their immortal, heavenly bodies to reign with Him as kings as priest during the Millennium. The spared Jewish people will enter the Millennium in their natural bodies and will reproduce, and populate the Millennium with natural born offspring.


This may seem like a strange belief to some, but after formulating this belief by studying scripture I was surprised to find out it was the teaching of the 1st century church ( the direct students of the Apostles) it is called Historical Pre-millennialism, Google it.

It is also the clear teaching of Jesus, Paul, the apostles, and scripture.

Populate the Millennium ?
Millennium ,is a gemartria number ,for a mega large number .When Christ comes in the second advent ,(second coming) it will be once ,and only once, no second chance for the devil , Evil is destroyed forever. Christ rules for ever.
The reason for why the millennium is in there, is ,they are not taking The Seven Thunders in to account.And not taking the gemartria in the Bible in to account.That is what you get when you try to interp.Revelations when you do not know of the Seven Thunders ,and violate the rule in Rev.22/18 ,Babel.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

I am sorry for not agreeing ,and not being that popular guy, but we are studying Revelations . Would you sooner be rid of me, and forget the book, of the Revelations of Christ.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

maryj

Re: Interpret Revelation Chapter 10 (Walt)
There are some secrets shared by God that are only for the visionary and no one else. St. Paul wrote of a similar experience, "this person was caught up into paradise and heard ineffable things which no man may utter"(II corinthians 12:4) The revelation of the secret will come in due time when history is ready. Scripture is full of the noiseless course of God's providential work. The Prophet Malachi had predicted that one day the Lord would suddenly come to his temple (Mal:3:1) Centuries passed and even students of the Bible had forgotten about it. then, abruptly, Jesus was born and brought by Joseph and His Blessed Mother to be presented to God at the temple.A simple and ordianary scene.Simeon takes the child in his arms and praises the Lord. Anna thanks God for this baby, nothing impressive, no shouts for attention. simply two Jewish Parents doing their duty. But in their arms they hold the Savior of the world, disguised as a stranger in His own house.Yet the glory of God shone in that temple, and through the humble gathering of a baby, his parents and two senior citizens.
When the angel told John to seal the newest message in a secret file, he was teaching this truth about the secret action of the divine providence in history, but one that will "suddenly" appear when the time is right. Taken from, The Second Coming of Jesus,OSV. sounds pretty logical to me!!

Who knows who this one will be?Maybe my time is not wasted ."this person was caught up into paradise and heard ineffable things which no man may utter"(II corinthians 12:4) The revelation of the secret will come in due time when history is ready.
I know that this might transgress the rule in .Rev.22/18 .QUOTE
But MARYJ brought it up.

Maybe the Story of my dream,I told these posts, of the little gray bird.
And the big White bird ,protecting me from the long black cigar shaped cloud,And then the minister that told me the meaning to my dream, two years latter .Naaa. I m' dreaming again ,I'm still here.walt2000.

 

[walt2000]

walt2000

Location: Canada
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Thirty five years ago, I made a big mistake,the biggest mistake I made in my life,some thing happened to me on a trip to Damascus no (just fooling and there is no vision of anybody, on the Alaskan highway either)
We,being ,the wife and two kids and a dog, pup tenting down the panhandle of Alaska .I asked the lord what the number 27072 meant I could not get It out of my head.
This started a process, that I wished I kept my mouth shut.I prayed asking to either tell me, or take this away.Sounds like a raving fool doesn't it.Well The wife thought that I was going nuts,any way, to make a long story short ,being frustrated, as I was, a little girl came up to me and said that that looks like my fathers gemartria ,I looked it up and need less to say the numbers explained them self .I was beside my self.Then the story starts.
I won't bore you with the details,as it turned out I have the worst sleeping habit's on this planet.
Sorry, but I,ll let you guys go for now.Boring ?
am I putting you guys to sleep?