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Brain Damage posted in message #31:
Iran will take over Iraq and become the Beast that
once was and will be again. (media persian empire)
If we check out the old roman empire we see that Iran
and Iraq were no part of it, hence the beast that is
looking for 10 within to join it to wipe out Israel.
LittleLambofJesus posted in message #33:
There are 2 end-times showing in Revelation so which
one of those would be fulfilling Daniel for example,
the one before or after the 1000yr period. Thanks
tulc said:It seems odd to me God would allow His whole Church be wrong for over 2000 years...
What do you consider His whole church to be...?
I find it amazing that many in Christendom still think that His whole church is the RCC... and the RCC is amillennial.
I hope you are not holding your breath, or anything drastic.walt2000Waiting for convincing proof we're in the End Times.
How would you describe your "endtime" view?
You don't have to defend your view - just explain it briefly. Or explain it with as much detail as you want. It can be a common view, a modified view or even a view unique to you. If you are thinking of possibilities or even don't have a view, then that's fine to post anything along those lines. I suspect there is a lot of diversity in this forum...
I do ask that posters refrain from attempts to attack or disprove other views in this thread. Heck, you have the rest of the eschatology forum to do that if you want!This thread should be descriptive and explanatory of the various views.
Feel free though to ask questions or ask for definitions of terms. A lot of people aren't familiar with the variety of end-times views and terms that are out there...
LDG
...His Church is made up of all the people who have a relationship with Him past, present, future. Many are in the RCC and many aren't. It's not where your butt is on Sunday (or Saturday) it's where your heart is all week. tulc(who by the way is an Anabaptist)
...His Church is made up of all the people who have a relationship with Him past, present, future. Many are in the RCC and many aren't. It's not where your butt is on Sunday (or Saturday) it's where your heart is all week.
tulc(who by the way is an Anabaptist)
uhmmm I was actually pointing out that walt2000 assertion that everyone else was wrong and only he was right seemed...unlikely.I would agree... although that makes your prior comment a little strange... because you basically said that you couldn't see Christ's whole church being wrong while the one person was correct (in their own mind perhaps)...
...I've been called worse things then strange so that's not really a problem for me.So how can you speak for the whole church in the context which you did..? Not to be picky...but like I said.. it makes your comment seem a little strange.. because how in the world would you know what the whole church thinks..?
Have ya by any chance thought about changing coffee brands thenuhmmm I was actually pointing out that walt2000 assertion that everyone else was wrong and only he was right seemed...unlikely.
...I've been called worse things then strange so that's not really a problem for me.
tulc(is sipping a great cup of coffee right now listening to opera)
Try to work my version out then call it wrong.walt2000...or we're right and you're wrong?It seems odd to me God would allow His whole Church be wrong for over 2000 years and only you would be right.
tulc(just a thought)
Have ya by any chance thought about changing coffee brands then
tulc(repeat as often as is needed)It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
I hate to be blunt, but I am right ,and you can not prove me wrong.Think of it as a challenge.
uhmmm ok, how can something that's going to happen in the future be proven wrong in the now?
tulc(always seems to get into these sorts of discussions when he wanders into this fora)
100 points for the Dune reference! love it!Changing brands?Blasphemer! Dark roast is good enough for Heaven, so it's good enough for here! Repeat after me:It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
tulc(repeat as often as is needed)
Reminds me of a saying I read once... don't be too shocked at some of the people you'll find in heaven... some of them will be wondering why YOU are there.If I had a nickel for everyone I've met in the last 30 years who had their own special "lock" on the book of Rev. I'd a quit this gig long ago...but taking $ in relation to my faith is against my religion...
A friend of mine once had a chart system that showed he was the only one who was going to be saved...go figure...It can be a lonely life in heaven particularly if you're the only occupant.
100 points for the Dune reference! love it!
Reminds me of a saying I read once... don't be too shocked at some of the people you'll find in heaven... some of them will be wondering why YOU are there.
As for the OP, my endview is not fixed. I know that Jesus returns. Bible is clear on that. Dead wil rise, we will be judged.
the exact order of this matters very little to me. Jesus has prepared a place for us, and that's where were going at the end of it all.
I would LOVE to be pre trib... Getting snatched up to heaven without having to go through the tribulation? I'm all for it! However, the more I look, the less supported by scripture that seems. Why would Christ warn them of the horrible things that would have to happen, if all believers aren't going to be there anyways?
again though, I don't mind, one way or the other... It's God's plan, and it' perfect, whether we get it or not.
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