What is your end-times view?

I think Neighbor is just honestly presenting his view and the history behing it. All the different views are worthy of study. The links he provided are part of that particular view (although they may offend some, no personal offense was intended I am sure).

Not all the views are compatible with each other, and some of very much opposed. But we know for sure that not all the views can be right. And sometime the view that "hits the nail on the head" the most is the one that gets the most over-reaction from the "opposition".

My view, by the way, leans to partial-preterist, amillennialist, Protestant historicist. I have also studied dispensational premillinialism.

Acts6:5 said:

... you posted links showing why "someone else's beliefs were wrong" on a thread that expressly asked you just to share your own viewpoint. If you can't see what's wrong with that then you're blind.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

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The OP preferred that we not attack another view. I posted links. You can choose not to look. Did a force foreign to your own will cause you to click on the links? If not, pipe down. If so, we need to pray for you!

Isn't it obvious that if you hold one position, you don't hold opposing positions and think they have "problems"?

I used to be dispensationalist, because it's the view that you 'see' everywhere right now, and I thought that's what everyone was (the church (denomination) I was raised in didn't EVER mention end times)--but after studying the various end time views, I would have to say I'm Historic Pre-mill with strong partial preterist leanings.


I think we'll see tribulation, the physical coming of Christ with the dead in Christ rising at that time, a 'thousand' year reign(in paranthesis because I don't know that it will be a literal thousand year, but don't see why not), followed by the final 'fight' the raising of the unsaved dead and the great white throne judgement. I believe after that, heaven and earth will become one and we will live forever with God.


I belong to a Reformed Baptist church now, and in the almost 5 years I've been attending, they've never done a study on the end-times. I believe they are pre-mill, but they don't talk about it much, prefering to concentrate on more important things. So, I couldn't tell you as a church if they lean toward historic pre-mill or a more dispensationalist view. I wouldn't imagine the latter, seing as how we are 'reformed baptists' but you never know, I guess.

mcfly1960 said:

I think Neighbor is just honestly presenting his view and the history behing it. All the different views are worthy of study. The links he provided are part of that particular view (although they may offend some, no personal offense was intended I am sure).

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But that isn't the purpose of this thread. The point of the OP is to share your particular End Times view, how long you've held it, if your church holds the same view, etc. This wasn't meant to be a thread that debated the validity of other viewpoints, it was simply an opportunity to publically share your stance.

I don't have a problem with Neighbor claiming to be a post-trib, historic-premill because that is his view; I have a problem with the fact that he went against the spirit of the thread by posting links that attacked other views despite the request found in the OP. Debating, attacking, and defending eschatological positions is done on any number of threads on this board. But when the opportunity is given to put our arguments down and come together for the purpose of getting to know each other, it just bothers me to no end that people cannot find it within themselves to put debating and argumentation away for just one thread. Just one thread.

mcfly1960 said:

Not all the views are compatible with each other, and some of very much opposed. But we know for sure that not all the views can be right. And sometime the view that "hits the nail on the head" the most is the one that gets the most over-reaction from the "opposition".

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Yes, got. Understand it. But the incompatibility of most views can be haggled over ad naseum ad infinium in any other thread on this forum, but that wasn't the express purpose of this thread. The OP asked you to state your position and/or explain it a bit. That's it. He didn't want us to explain why other positions were wrong; he wanted to know our individual position. He didn't want you to defend your views, and he didn't want anyone to attack them, and he didn't want anyone posting links that attacked them. I thought the purpose of the thread was pretty clear.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Looks like you have accidentally misquoted me in some of your edits, but "No harm done".

Most of us are familiar with the external links he provided, anyway.. I still have them "bookmarked" from a long time ago. Some others here may not be familiar with them, though, and thus become part of explaining his view.

Can you just let it go at that?

Mcfly1960 said:

Looks like you have accidentally misquoted me in some of your edits, but "No harm done".

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Thanks for letting me know. I didn’t notice the typos. They are now corrected.

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Most of us are familiar with the external links he provided, anyway.. I still have them "bookmarked" from a long time ago. Some others here may not be familiar with them, though, and thus become part of explaining his view.

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But two of the links attack the validity of other views, which is not what the OP intended for this thread. A person can explain their view without referencing attacks on other views. I can explain what preterism is without also explaining why I think futurism or historicism is wrong.


Again, the reason I reacted the way I did was because the OP asked us to state our position or without explaining why other positions are wrong; he just wanted to know our individual position, how long we’ve held it, if our church holds it, etc. He specifically asked posters not to attack other views and yet someone just had to do so.

Mcfly1960 said:

Can you just let it go at that?

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Sure, as long as people use the thread for it’s intended purpose.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Acts6:5 said:

The OP ... didn't want ....

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The thread isn't merely for one person.

Your Neighbor said:

The thread isn't merely for one person.

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However, if you don't follow the OP it is called hyjacking!

timlamb said:

However, if you don't follow the OP it is called hyjacking!

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Exactly.

I have always been pre-millennial, even though my childhood as a devout Roman Catholic (which is amillennial). When I first started studying prophecy in-depth, I was led to the pre-trib view, but I have since shunned that and am now 100% post-trib. So that makes me post-trib, pre-mil.

Hey Zadok, I would have never guessed you were Roman Catholic. Interesting.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

Acts6:5 said:

Hey Zadok, I would have never guessed you were Roman Catholic. Interesting.

In Christ,

Acts6:5

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I was up until around 15 or 16 years of age. After that, I had so many doctrinal differences with the church that I stopping calling myself one and stopped attending mass. Other than weddings and funerals, I think I have been to a Catholic service once since then.