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What is your end times view on the rapture?

POLL: What is your end times view on the rapture?

  • No Rapture

    Votes: 16 29.6%
  • Pretribulation

    Votes: 22 40.7%
  • Pre-Wrath/6th Seal

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Midtribulation

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Posttribulation

    Votes: 12 22.2%

  • Total voters
    54

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Confusing isn't it? So when you have seemingly contradictory scriptures, you have to dig deeper. The word in Matthew 10:28 is the Greek word "psuchēn", whereas the word translated as "soul" in Genesis is the Greek word "nephesh". Either word can be translated as life, or breath or "soul", though that word in itself needs defining.

By looking at the context of the use of the word soul all throughout scripture it becomes clear that "soul" refers to either a person, an animal or life itself.

For example, transpose the word "life" for "soul" in your example of Matthew 10:28 above and it makes a lot more sense.

If on the other hand you believe a "soul" to be an immortal spirit, then neither Matthew 10:28 nor Ezekiel 18:4 making any sense at all, because both these scriptures make it clear that a soul can die.

Psalm 104:29 even states that when you take away a person's "soul", they die. And of course that's what happened to Jesus when he gave up his soul. He died. That's because "soul" means "life". When you give up your life, you die.
 
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Confusing isn't it? So when you have seemingly contradictory scriptures, you have to dig deeper. The word in Matthew 10:28 is the Greek word "psuchēn", whereas the word translated as "soul" in Genesis is the Greek word "nephesh". Either word can be translated as life, or breath or "soul", though that word in itself needs defining.

By looking at the context of the use of the word soul all throughout scripture it becomes clear that "soul" refers to either a person, an animal or life itself.

For example, transpose the word "life" for "soul" in your example of Matthew 10:28 above and it makes a lot more sense.

If on the other hand you believe a "soul" to be an immortal spirit, then neither Matthew 10:28 nor Ezekiel 18:4 making any sense at all, because both these scriptures make it clear that a soul can die.

Psalm 104:29 even states that when you take away a person's "soul", they die. And of course that's what happened to Jesus when he gave up his soul. He died. That's because "soul" means "life". When you give up your life, you die.

Confusing? Not really, if we are willing to accept what Christ said instead of attempting to force His words to fit the doctrine of "Soul Sleep" in Matthew 10:28.
 


There is no way a person can honestly make body and soul the same in the text of this verse.
The same is true of the original Greek.


(KJV)  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

(KJV+)  AndG2532 fearG5399 notG3361 (G575) them which killG615 theG3588 body,G4983 butG1161 are notG3361 ableG1410 to killG615 theG3588 soul:G5590 butG1161 ratherG3123 fearG5399 him which is ableG1410 to destroyG622 bothG2532 soulG5590 andG2532 bodyG4983 inG1722 hell.G1067


This verse kills the doctrine of "Soul Sleep".

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On the contrary. It seems that you are not aware that we are souls. A soul is a living creature. Without life, we're just dust, but with the breath of God we've become living creatures. We've become souls.

Now you sound desperate here trying to turn the table with your strawman. I'm the one who's been telling you the soul never dies. Only the physical body is what dies and awaits a resurrection.

You're the one who believes in soulsleep. What you just wrote above contradicts your belief. Obviously you don't know what the soul is.

The Greek word is "Nephesh" and it's also used in Genesis 1:20

I have news for you. The old testament was originally written in Hebrew, not Greek.

ROFL!!!



Yes, even the animals are "souls".

This is not new news to me, I already knew that about animals. There were many animals in the garden of Eden with Adam.

Here's the difference between you and me, you can't prove it because you don't understand what the soul is.

But I do have good news for you Lastseven. All dogs do go to heaven.

Just don't get too excited. The bad news is all cats also go to heaven.

because both these scriptures make it clear that a soul can die.

As I said, you don't know anything about the soul. You think the physical body and the soul are one in the same. Wrong!

Numerous scriptures refutes your nonsense. All these people died a physical death. If their soul is also dead, why are they all talking and not asleep?

1 Peter 3:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

Luke 16:19-31 New King James Version (NKJV)
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

Revelation 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”










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Confusing? Not really, if we are willing to accept what Christ said instead of attempting to force His words to fit the doctrine of "Soul Sleep" in Matthew 10:28.
 


There is no way a person can honestly make body and soul the same in the text of this verse.
The same is true of the original Greek.


(KJV)  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

(KJV+)  AndG2532 fearG5399 notG3361 (G575) them which killG615 theG3588 body,G4983 butG1161 are notG3361 ableG1410 to killG615 theG3588 soul:G5590 butG1161 ratherG3123 fearG5399 him which is ableG1410 to destroyG622 bothG2532 soulG5590 andG2532 bodyG4983 inG1722 hell.G1067


This verse kills the doctrine of "Soul Sleep".


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Perhaps you didn't quite read through my post or understand what I said. I'm not saying that the word "soul" in that verse means "body". I'm saying in that verse it means "life".

Let me repeat. Everytime the word "soul" is seen in scripture it refers to either a person, an animal or life. That's why it's confusing. It doesn't always mean the same thing.

A simple look at the definitions of the Hebrew and Greek words used and you'll see that these words can be used in a variety of ways. Which is why it's unfortunate that the English translators primarily chose to use the word "soul".

The Hebrew word psuche.

psuche: Definition: (a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual.
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5590 psyxḗ (from psyxō, "
to breathe, blow" which is the root of the English words "psyche," "psychology") – soul (psyche); a person's distinct identity (unique personhood), i.e. individual personality.

5590 (psyxē) corresponds exactly to the OT 5315 /phágō ("soul").
The soul is the direct aftermath of God breathing (blowing) His gift of life into a person, making them an ensouled being.

Now look at the Greek word and its definition:

nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion
 
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LMAO. You're just clueless!!!

I'm not saying you're wrong here. It's actually right though, but you don't seem to have any idea why
those scriptures all say so.

Learn this my padawan. Go back to the garden of Eden. There lies your answer.
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Are you always this rude to people? If you know something I don't, then please share, but don't insult me.
 
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Perhaps you didn't quite read through my post or understand what I said. I'm not saying that the word "soul" in that verse means "body". I'm saying in that verse it means "life".

Let me repeat. Everytime the word "soul" is seen in scripture it refers to either a person, an animal or life. That's why it's confusing. It doesn't always mean the same thing.

A simple look at the definitions of the Hebrew and Greek words used and you'll see that these words can be used in a variety of ways. Which is why it's unfortunate that the English translators primarily chose to use the word "soul".

The Hebrew word psuche.

psuche: Definition: (a) the vital breath, breath of life, (b) the human soul, (c) the soul as the seat of affections and will, (d) the self, (e) a human person, an individual.
HELPS Word-studies
5590 psyxḗ (from psyxō, "
to breathe, blow" which is the root of the English words "psyche," "psychology") – soul (psyche); a person's distinct identity (unique personhood), i.e. individual personality.

5590 (psyxē) corresponds exactly to the OT 5315 /phágō ("soul").
The soul is the direct aftermath of God breathing (blowing) His gift of life into a person, making them an ensouled being.

Now look at the Greek word and its definition:

nephesh: a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion

I understand exactly what you are saying.
I have debated this "soul sleep" doctrine with others.


I understand the use of the words in the Hebrew and Greek.

You are attempting to ignore the use of both body and soul together in Matthew chapter 10.

Mat_10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

body G4983- soma- the body

soul G5590- psuche- breath, spirit

You have dealt with one of the words, but you are ignoring the other in an effort to make your doctrine of "soul sleep" work.

All false doctrines are exposed not by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but by the scripture they must ignore to make the doctrine work.

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You are attempting to ignore the use of both body and soul together in Matthew chapter 10.

Mat_10:28  And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

I'm not ignoring that at all. Rather I'm trying to explain that the word "soul" in that verse actually means "life". And no I'm not changing or twisting scripture. I'm looking at the original meanings of the original words, rather than accepting the definition of "soul" from popular culture. The word means "life".
 
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I'm not ignoring that at all. Rather I'm trying to explain that the word "soul" in that verse actually means "life". And no I'm not changing or twisting scripture. I'm looking at the original meanings of the original words, rather than accepting the definition of "soul" from popular culture. The word means "life".

You have done an excellent job of explaining the word "soul" in the verse.

Now deal with the Greek word "soma".

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I am curious of the end times views on this forum. I would appreciate if you would vote on this poll to see what the majority view is. Thanks.

***Note: Please don't debate views or argue with others on this thread. There are plenty of threads for that. If you want to post your view, that is great. I know this is a touchy subject for many, I just know it can get heated. I mainly want a poll to just see how views are split.

I'm pretrib ... I'm thinking the rapture may be taking place around 2030 which is the 40th jubilee from the start of the first jubilee of Jesus ministry

Of course, this is just a theory.. I'm no prophet
 
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There is most certainly a fabrication involved...

Most people do not understand the need for a pretrib rapture.

According to the classic version of modern Dispensational Theology, the Church must be removed from the planet so that God can go back and deal with the modern State of Israel under the Old Covenant system.

There is just one problem.
Based on Hebrews 8:13, the New Covenant has now made the Old Covenant "obsolete".
God is not going back to an obsolete covenant.
If God ripped the temple veil in half, who is going to repair it?
The Old Covenant is finished.
The New Covenant is now the only plan of salvation. There is no Plan B.


Based on Hebrews 13:20, the New Covenant is "everlasting".
Therefore, the "Church Age" cannot come to an end before the Second Coming.


The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is spoken by Christ in Matthew 26:28, and is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. It is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8. On the day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel", and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel". On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah chapter 31.

The New Covenant was made first with Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later in the same way that Ruth the Moabite was grafted into Israel. The Olive Tree of Romans chapter 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together into one tree. When two trees are grafted together, neither tree is replaced.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant, the need and possibility of a pretrib removal of the Church, falls apart.

Now for the fabrication...

 
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There is most certainly a fabrication involved...

Most people do not understand the need for a pretrib rapture.

According to the classic version of modern Dispensational Theology, the Church must be removed from the planet so that God can go back and deal with the modern State of Israel under the Old Covenant system.

There is just one problem.
Based on Hebrews 8:13, the New Covenant has now made the Old Covenant "obsolete".
God is not going back to an obsolete covenant.
If God ripped the temple veil in half, who is going to repair it?
The Old Covenant is finished.
The New Covenant is now the only plan of salvation. There is no Plan B.


Based on Hebrews 13:20, the New Covenant is "everlasting".
Therefore, the "Church Age" cannot come to an end before the Second Coming.


The New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is spoken by Christ in Matthew 26:28, and is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. It is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8. On the day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "men of Judea", then as "men of Israel", and in Acts 2:36 as "all the house of Israel". On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah chapter 31.

The New Covenant was made first with Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in several years later in the same way that Ruth the Moabite was grafted into Israel. The Olive Tree of Romans chapter 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together into one tree. When two trees are grafted together, neither tree is replaced.

Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant, the need and possibility of a pretrib removal of the Church, falls apart.

Now for the fabrication...


I agree that there will be no going back to the old covenant system

The new covenant was offered to the Jews first in which its leaders rejected bringing salvation to all men.

Jesus said he will return in person again to offer the new covenant terms and establishment of his kingdom but that it will be at a future time when Israel is in most need of his services and most humble state because of the leaders of the world who will rise up to exterminate the Israelites who are coming to know the true messiah by revelation and outpouring of the spirit

This is a separate program. Paul taught that when this happens all the world will be blessed when Israel receives the proper king

Our kingdom is not of this world but is of the world to come. We are firstborn of the terms of the heavenly covenant in which we are promised to live in heaven with god and our promises will one day be fulfilled

Jesus made a covenant with his followers made up of all men Jews and Gentiles who put their faith and trust in him to take them to heaven and one day he will fulfill those promises to the firstfruits

This covenant made a way for believers to live with the father in heaven and this same covenant is able to make a way to establish a kingdom on earth. this same covenant makes all these things possible and one day this same covenant will bring down new Jerusalem from heaven and god will live with man on the new earth which is known as the world to come

Do you see and understand how very possible this covenant made with mankind is able to make a way to the father to live in heaven?
 
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I agree that there will be no going back to the old covenant system

The new covenant was offered to the Jews first in which its leaders rejected bringing salvation to all men.

Jesus said he will return in person again to offer the new covenant terms and establishment of his kingdom but that it will be at a future time when Israel is in most need of his services and most humble state because of the leaders of the world who will rise up to exterminate the Israelites who are coming to know the true messiah by revelation and outpouring of the spirit

This is a separate program. Paul taught that when this happens all the world will be blessed when Israel receives the proper king

Our kingdom is not of this world but is of the world to come. We are firstborn of the terms of the heavenly covenant in which we are promised to live in heaven with god and our promises will one day be fulfilled

Jesus made a covenant with his followers made up of all men Jews and Gentiles who put their faith and trust in him to take them to heaven and one day he will fulfill those promises to the firstfruits

This covenant made a way for believers to live with the father in heaven and this same covenant is able to make a way to establish a kingdom on earth. this same covenant makes all these things possible and one day this same covenant will bring down new Jerusalem from heaven and god will live with man on the new earth which is known as the world to come

Do you see and understand how very possible this covenant made with mankind is able to make a way to the father to live in heaven?

This New Covenant could not have been offered before Calvary, based on the words of Christ in Matthew 26:28. It had to be confirmed by the Blood of Christ.

The first Israelites who accepted the New Covenant did so on the Day of Pentecost.

Based on Hebrews 8:6-13, it was in effect with Israel and Judah during the first century.

There is no separate program of salvation based on genealogy. All now come to salvation by being grafted into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ, no matter what their race. The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together. There is no Plan B, based on a sample of a person's DNA.

Some have changed the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then" in Romans 11:26 in order to produce a future time of "National Salvation" for the modern nation of Israel. I have personally heard preachers make this change during Television broadcasts. This is a corruption of the text. The covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Covenant fulfilled at Calvary, for all races of people. It is not waiting on a future fulfillment.

Based on the parable of the virgins in Matthew chapter 25, there will be no second chances at His Second Coming.
Those not ready when He returns will be rejected.


The Two Peoples of God doctrine has been a tremendous roadblock to sharing the Gospel with the Jewish people, because some of us pretend they are still in a right relationship with God, just because they are Jews, even though they have rejected Christ. If we want them to be saved we need to share the Gospel with them, now.

An understanding of the New Covenant could be one of our greatest tools for sharing the Gospel with modern Jews, as well as others all around the world.

Some of us attempt to ignore the fact that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. The actual Old Testament text is copied word-for-word from Jeremiah chapter 31. The first verse in the passage from Hebrews 8, verse 6, makes it clear that Christ is "now" the mediator of this New Covenant. Verse 13, the last verse in the passage, says that this New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete". Why do some try to ignore it or explain it away? It is because it destroys the Two Peoples of God doctrine.

The saddest part of this effort to ignore the New Covenant is the fact that it is one of our greatest tools for proving that Jesus is the Old Testament Messiah.

The "suffering servant" from Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in the manger is the New Covenant Messiah promised in the Old Testament.

How many millions could be saved by a clear presentation of this 3 passage message?
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Are you always this rude to people? If you know something I don't, then please share, but don't insult me.

It's because I love cats.

No, I'm just kidding. But outside of here, I'm actually extremely nice and considerate of others, especially the homeless.

It was a knee-jerk reaction in respond of what you wrote below.

On the contrary. It seems that you are not aware that we are souls. A soul is a living creature.

On the contrary. It seems that you are not aware that we are souls. A soul is a living creature.







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This New Covenant could not have been offered before Calvary, based on the words of Christ in Matthew 26:28. It had to be confirmed by the Blood of Christ.

The first Israelites who accepted the New Covenant did so on the Day of Pentecost.

Based on Hebrews 8:6-13, it was in effect with Israel and Judah during the first century.

There is no separate program of salvation based on genealogy. All now come to salvation by being grafted into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ, no matter what their race. The Olive Tree is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of Israelites and Gentiles grafted together. There is no Plan B, based on a sample of a person's DNA.

Some have changed the word "so", which is an adverb of manner, into the word "then" in Romans 11:26 in order to produce a future time of "National Salvation" for the modern nation of Israel. I have personally heard preachers make this change during Television broadcasts. This is a corruption of the text. The covenant in Romans 11:27 is the New Covenant fulfilled at Calvary, for all races of people. It is not waiting on a future fulfillment.

Based on the parable of the virgins in Matthew chapter 25, there will be no second chances at His Second Coming.
Those not ready when He returns will be rejected.


The Two Peoples of God doctrine has been a tremendous roadblock to sharing the Gospel with the Jewish people, because some of us pretend they are still in a right relationship with God, just because they are Jews, even though they have rejected Christ. If we want them to be saved we need to share the Gospel with them, now.

An understanding of the New Covenant could be one of our greatest tools for sharing the Gospel with modern Jews, as well as others all around the world.

Some of us attempt to ignore the fact that the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13. The actual Old Testament text is copied word-for-word from Jeremiah chapter 31. The first verse in the passage from Hebrews 8, verse 6, makes it clear that Christ is "now" the mediator of this New Covenant. Verse 13, the last verse in the passage, says that this New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete". Why do some try to ignore it or explain it away? It is because it destroys the Two Peoples of God doctrine.

The saddest part of this effort to ignore the New Covenant is the fact that it is one of our greatest tools for proving that Jesus is the Old Testament Messiah.

The "suffering servant" from Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 prove that the baby born in the manger is the New Covenant Messiah promised in the Old Testament.

How many millions could be saved by a clear presentation of this 3 passage message?
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What was Jesus offering during his time on earth to the Jews then if not the terms of the new covenant?

Yes it was ratified at a certain time but the terms could be offered and received by faith beforehand right? Does not have to be ratified yet to receive the benefits beforehand... one can receive by faith beforehand right?
 
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Very soon Satan himself will appear on Earth looking just like Jesus but he will claim to be Isa, the Muslim name for Jesus and will say the Muslims are right and the Christians are wrong. Most Christian's will believe this which will cause the great falling away. Satan (Isa) will also appear with superior technology that people will assume is of extraterrestrial origin. Satan will then select the Muslim Mahdi as the new ruler of the World; This is the Anti-Christ. The real Jesus will return seven years after this event.

During these years anyone who resists this ruler in the name of the Christian Jesus will be beheaded. The global economy will collapse, poverty and hunger will increase. Food supply will be rationed and one country after another will eventually be forced to adopt the mark of the beast system. This will be a chip implant that allows you to buy and sell food etc, that Satan (Isa) will provide with his technology. The last country to fall to this system will be Israel.

At the beginning of the 7 years Israel will have just rebuilt the Temple on the Temple mount in Jerusalem and will have restarted it sacrifices. The new High Priest will be the False Prophet and he and the Anti-Christ will hate each other just as the Bible says.The High Priest and the Israeli government will agree to the 7 year peace treaty that the Anti-Chirst will impose on many countries around the world but after three and half years the Anti-Christ will invade Israel and stop the sacrifices. Then 1290 days later Israel will be forced to finally accept the mark of the beast as their supplies of food run out. There will be final period of 45 days and then the real Jesus will return. Thank God.

The Two Witnesses will be two very normal Christian men who will already have end times ministries. They will travel to Jerusalem and begin the last 1260 days of their ministry on the Temple mount, just after the sacrifices are stopped. Then just before the Mark of the Beast implant system is set up in Jerusalem they will be killed by Satan's forces that will have been unleashed on Earth 5 months before Jesus returns. The Witnesses will survive the first three and half months of this onslaught of Satan's 200 million strong demonic army spoken of in Revelation. Three and a half days after they are killed they will resurrect and ascend to heaven. Then the Mark will be set up. The last 45 days will be the worst time in the history for world. By the time Jesus returns most (at least 80%) of humans will have been killed. When Jesus returns he will destroy everything on the surface of the Earth with fire from Heaven and the rapture will happen, first the dead in Christ then the living. The only people to survive will be non-Christians hidden deep under ground.
 
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What was Jesus offering during his time on earth to the Jews then if not the terms of the new covenant?

Yes it was ratified at a certain time but the terms could be offered and received by faith beforehand right? Does not have to be ratified yet to receive the benefits beforehand... one can receive by faith beforehand right?

There were those who accepted Christ as the Messiah before His death on the Cross and He was clearly preaching the Gospel of the New Covenant during His ministry.

The New Covenant was promised hundreds of years before.
Jeremiah and Daniel both clearly understood the New Covenant and died in faith.


However, the New Covenant did not go into effect until the death of the testator.

Heb_9:16  For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb_9:17  For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives.

The Greek word for "testament" and the Greek word for "covenant" are the same word.


His last words on the Cross fulfilled the terms of the new covenant in the same way that a house must be completed before the contract to build that house is fulfilled.

He built us a New House out of two pieces of wood and a handful of nails.

Joh 19:30  When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. 

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It's because I love cats.

No, I'm just kidding. But outside of here, I'm actually extremely nice and considerate of others, especially the homeless.

It was a knee-jerk reaction in respond of what you wrote below.

On the contrary. It seems that you are not aware that we are souls. A soul is a living creature.
I understand how frustrating it can be to read things we disagree with and think are totally stupid, and how easy it is to type up a response in anger and click "Post". I've posted some angry posts as well, some of them directed at you, because as you know we see things very differently, but let's try to keep our cool.
 
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