What is your biggest struggle in your walk with God?

[Nomarga]

Apologies in advance for getting off-topic, I'll try to keep it as brief as I can.

Whatever theories you attribute to existence.
A simple example is you can't prove evolution without making assumptions about things that you have not observed.

Direct observation is not required for something to be proven to be as true as one can tell. (There are many cases of natural selection at work, but that usually doesn't slake the thirsts of the "crocoduck evolution" crowd) This does not only happen in the realm of science. In practically all court cases there isn't video footage of the entire crime in progress, but a verdict is nonetheless delivered. Yes, sometimes the verdicts are wrong, but one can only respond to the degree of evidence available.

Even if you could prove it, it also relies on other theories that assume activities that also have not been observed (the origin of the species that evolved).

The ToE is not dependent on abiogenesis. However life occurred, it evolved through the process of natural selection. This is why the Catholic and Anglican churches have openly accepted the ToE.

Now faith is believing in what you have not seen and what you cannot scientifically prove. Science is full of those things.

Science is full of things it can't scientifically prove? That, by definition, is impossible. An unfalsifiable idea can never make it through the scientific method, which (somewhat relevantly) is why ID is not science.

 

[r035198x]

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Direct observation is not required for something to be proven to be as true as one can tell. (There are many cases of natural selection at work, but that usually doesn't slake the thirsts of the "crocoduck evolution" crowd) This does not only happen in the realm of science. In practically all court cases there isn't video footage of the entire crime in progress, but a verdict is nonetheless delivered. Yes, sometimes the verdicts are wrong, but one can only respond to the degree of evidence available ...

In both cases no truth is proven. Assumptions are made based on what has not been seen =>faith.

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The ToE is not dependent on abiogenesis. However life occurred, it evolved through the process of natural selection. This is why the Catholic and Anglican churches have openly accepted the ToE....

You missed the point. I said that even if you could prove it (through observation which is impossible) you start off with an unprovable assumption of the existence of the species that partook in the initial evolution. .i.e The thoery still requires you to have faith in existence of the original species. If you don't believe any theory that explains their existence then you can't believe in evolution because you have nothing to evolve.

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Science is full of things it can't scientifically prove? That, by definition, is impossible. An unfalsifiable idea can never make it through the scientific method, which (somewhat relevantly) is why ID is not science.

All scientific theories are reducible to a dependency on abiogenesis which has no standard explanation that has scientific proof.

 

[Nomarga]

In both cases no truth is proven. Assumptions are made based on what has not been seen =>faith.



You missed the point. I said that even if you could prove it (through observation which is impossible) you start off with an unprovable assumption of the existence of the species that partook in the initial evolution. .i.e The thoery still requires you to have faith in existence of the original species. If you don't believe any theory that explains their existence then you can't believe in evolution because you have nothing to evolve.


All scientific theories are reducible to a dependency on abiogenesis which has no standard explanation that has scientific proof.

In all seriousness, it's 4am and I'm headed to bed. Perhaps another will pick up the torch of science in the mean time. Good night!

 

[Gilbert 61]

Thank you for your post. I realize that it's a sensitive topic, and it's hard to discuss without stepping on a few toes. It's one of the things I struggle with.
When it comes down to it, yes, I realize that it's a sin, because the bible says so. I can't argue against that in any way. I grew up believing that science held the answers to everything. This was a quote taken right out of my psychology course this semester: "Homosexuality is more likely to be based on biological factors like differing brain centers, genetics, parental hormone exposure, than environmental factors." Before, I believed that science was brilliant, and based all my beliefs on science. Then I became a Christian, so I struggled with a lot of scientific views that conflicted with the bible. Science can be wrong, but God is always right. I'm still biased, because of my two best friends. Like I said, it's something I struggle with.

I'm sorry, but using science to justify a sin is wrong. I love studying science. But the more I study science the more I realize that it is an ever changing field. Many years ago, everyone knew the earth was flat it was fact. So me, I take God's word first, and science second. There may be excuses on earth. But there are none on judgement day.

 

[Nomarga]

I made a split off thread for the conversations of science and whatnot here so please use that if you're interested in continuing that discussion so we don't derail this thread any further than we already have.

Thanks!

 

[Netty]

What Thunder said. Also, I have trouble believing how awesome and all powerful He is, and wth trusting Him with all areas of my life. Sometimes I feel like I have trouble trusting Him with ANY part of my life

Me too... That whole 'I surrender all' thing is so much more difficult than you think!

 

[stan1472]

My biggest struggle is sexual purity in thought, word, and deed. I feel very good/free when I don't have this struggle.

 

[puffca]

Lack of fellowship.

 

[puffca]

You just reminded me how much I appreciate things that my parents and sisters have done for me that I have taken for granted for such a long long time.

One of my hardest aspects would have to be being able to comprehend an unconditional love. I'm too used to conditional love from friends and family. I also have issues with being single, especially around the holidays. *shrugs* I think I also wonder why God allows some things to happen to me, and I question the reasoning...sometimes a little too much.

 

[gemmah]

For me at the moment it's just not having many christian friends around me. I have a small bible study group and I go to church but there isn't really anyone I'm close to. I don't know if this is a regular occurance for people when they move away from their home church but i find it hard and not being a very out going person makes it hard for me to just join in on things. Just going to churches I didn't know anything about on my own was hard enough let alone jumping into church activities where no one knows you. So that's me.

 

[stan1472]

Gemnah, why did you move away from your home church?

 

[gemmah]

Gemnah, why did you move away from your home church?

Just at that stage in life. Finished up all my studies and started full time work. Where I live when you start out in a field you usually have to go to the city first unless you know someone or have heaps of experience. I guess because there are so many people that want to work close to home instead of the city and so they know they have lots of choice and why chose someone new when you can have someone that has a solid work history in the field. I work 10 hour days so with 2hrs of travel each way plus 10hrs at work the commuting got to difficult and the 1 day off wasn't enough to recover sleep from the long days so i moved closer.

 

[stan1472]

Sorry Gemmah for responding late, and for spelling your name wrong earlier...oops. I just checked in...oh and happy new year! : )

But it looks like you made a wise decision about work & rest. You're just starting out, so I'm hoping things will smooth out for you in terms of church connections. But in the meantime, get as close to God as possible and He will provide the right people/friendships along the way..

 

[SoundCard]

Probably the whole thing about us deserving Hell, but at the same time, He gives us Heaven freely. I doth not comprehend.