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What is wrong with POTUS?

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What is wrong with POTUS (President Of The US) ?

I wonder who is the one that POTUS is launching war on? Terrorists or Americans? :scratch:

He is making his people poorer and poorer and putting them in difficult financial problems by his big cuts in education and medical care under the claim of War on Terror?

Then he is defaming the USA by his brutal acts in this war like what happened in Abu Ghraib, or what was recently stated about the CIA hangar on abc! (SEE UNDER)

Then he is gaining more and more enemies by these brutal acts as Muslims arent senseless, they are getting angry day after day from what the USA is doing to them, they are just waiting for the suitable time to do their payback!

POTUS is launching war on terrorists or his soldiers that are falling every day whether dead, or injured! or those who suffered from the combat psychologically and had to return to their lands and they are thousands! Or those who committed suicide! or the soldiers that ran to canada asking for asylum!


http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=559496&page=1

Information Through Torture
A former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, says the CIA brought many prisoners to the Central Asian nation for interrogation, knowing full well that the Uzbeks would use torture during interrogation.

He said he knew of one case where an Uzbek prisoner was boiled to death.

"The Uzbeks very regularly used very brutal torture," Murray said. "A lot of beating, breaking of limbs, smashing of limbs, smashing of teeth, pulling away skin with pliers, pulling out fingernails and toe nails."

Murray said his deputy confronted the CIA station chief in the Uzbek capital, Tashkent, about whether information was obtained under torture.

"And he replied, it probably was obtained under torture, but the CIA does not see that as a problem," Murray said.

Another Abu Ghraib?
A German citizen, Khaled el Masri, says he was taken on a CIA plane and sent to Afghanistan where he says he was stripped, beaten and abused.

He was interrogated by American agents for months, el Masri said, and at one point was told "you are here in a land where there are no laws. No one knows about you or where you are."

El Masri was released by the United States after four months without being charged with any crime.

And others have come forward with their stories as well. Maher Arar, a Canadian, was sent to Syria in 2003 where he says he was tortured for 10 months. Mamdouh Habib, an Australian, claims he was transferred by U.S. agents from Pakistan to Egypt in 2001, where he says he was tortured for six months before being taken to Guantanamo Bay.

Some officials have already begun to decry the consequences of the rendition program.

"Like Abu Ghraib, it took a while for the outrage to build," said Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass. "The more the American people find out we are allowing other countries to torture in our name, there is going to be an outcry across this country."


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Complaining about the use of torture is "sour grapes"?

What ever happened to the willingness to take a stand on moral issues? We see so many complaints about people not taking a stand on morality, but when someone does, he gets derided and attacked. No wonder!
 
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Thing is, how can you say these stories are true?

These stories about Arab-ethnic people "coming out" against the U.S. is seeming to turn into a fad. I'm sure some of these stories are true, but I'm also certain some of them aren't, and are only to get their 15 minutes of fame.
 
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seebs said:
One person tortured is enough of a bad thing to merit a serious investigation of the whole thing.

In practice, we have good evidence that it's many more than one... And that's BAD.

Still, I'd investigate every one of them before going out of line.

You could make grounds that this is propaganda for Americans not to trust their military.

And besides that, other government armies do a LOT worse, and no one complains.
 
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Harpuia said:
Still, I'd investigate every one of them before going out of line.

You could make grounds that this is propaganda for Americans not to trust their military.

And besides that, other government armies do a LOT worse, and no one complains.
That's the ol' "they did it first" defense. I don't even remember that one working in second grade.
 
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Alarum said:
That's the ol' "they did it first" defense. I don't even remember that one working in second grade.

No, but it is funny to see everyone else holding the U.S. to a higher standard.

The U.S. has more people than all but 2 countries (China and India). You'd EXPECT a few stray-aways.
 
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Harpuia said:
No, but it is funny to see everyone else holding the U.S. to a higher standard.

The U.S. has more people than all but 2 countries (China and India). You'd EXPECT a few stray-aways.
Are you really suggesting our military accidentily accepted some psychopaths? Or is there some way this makes sense?

We're NOT talking about serial killers here. We're talking about government supported torture.
 
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Alarum said:
Are you really suggesting our military accidentily accepted some psychopaths? Or is there some way this makes sense?

We're NOT talking about serial killers here. We're talking about government supported torture.

People who do this aren't always psychopaths. They can be normal people just caught up in the moment or looking to have a little fun.

College party kids aren't psychopaths, same thing.
 
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Harpuia said:
No, but it is funny to see everyone else holding the U.S. to a higher standard.

The self-appointed moral barometer for the world? The shining beacon of democracy and freedom for the world? The planet's sheriff and globo-cop?

I can't imagine why others would want to hold the US to a higher standard? Oh, maybe it's because after hearing the US tell the rest of the world how much better it is than everyone else it would be nice to see the actions live up to the words.
 
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Hmmm. Just yesterday, the Regressives were bragging that a Pentagon report comissioned by Rumsfeld stated that only 70 prisoners had been tortured. Although somehow, there just happened to be no less than 1800 photos and vidoes of tortured prisoners.

Making those "70" prisoners the most photgraphed people in the world, next to J.Lo.
 
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