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Great Verse!1 John 4:1. I did misquote. It says of God instead of, of me
Same thing. . .if by "me," you mean "God."
So where do you see that spirit means church there?
Or should you be resting now?
Actually, saving faith is individual, and only individuals can confess their faith.It's in the very next verse wasn't expecting milk was needed.
The church is the one who confesses, we call it having a service.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
I think that makes sense. IOW, double predestination - it seems to me - “relates” to God in one way, and to us in a different way.Charles Spurgeon taught that we must put believing the Gospel of Christ and receiving Christ must come first, then sorting out election should come afterward.
Anyone standing before Christ at the Judgment cannot use predestination as a defence, because there are abundant promises and directions to believe the Gospel and that whoever comes to Christ will not be cast out. So the question asked will be, "Why didn't you believe the Gospel and put your faith in Christ?" The reprobate ones will have no answer to that question because they know that they are guilty of ignoring the salvation that was offered to them and that condemnation to Hell is their fault, not God's.
Election and Reprobation are mysteries that are in the mind of God, through His foreknowledge of who is going to believe the Gospel of Christ and who is going to reject it. Regardless of whether He knows already who is going to believe the Gospel of Christ and who is not, for us, believing the Gospel is paramount because heaven or hell for us is dependent on it, rather than a mystery decree in heaven that only God knows the detail of it.
Actually, saving faith is individual, and only individuals can confess their faith.
The true church--only of the born again--is the only "church" that can confess as a church.
But where is this church on earth where there are no tares which can make such a true confession as a church?
Does the Greek of the text indicate that?
But prophets are individuals, which individual's faith is indicative only of himself, right?It's implied by the word prophets. This is a method for evaluating preachers and teachers, ministries, and churches, and entire denominations.
Except in Calvinism there is double predestination where the elect are chosen before the foundation of the world for salvation and the rest of mankind are elect to damnation. So God like the Father doesn't rescue them , only the elect are rescued and that has already been predetermined the fate of both groups.
79 last AprilAre you sure about that?
And be my guest, PLEASE. . .you're right lots of times.
The problem with Calvinism can be summed up in one word "determination".
Divine meticulous determination of all things. The Calvinist idea of how God's sovereignty must work out itself. As such it is exalted above his Love, exalted above his mercy, exalted above his holiness and justice
Early Jewish Christians referred to themselves as "The Way" (ἡ ὁδός), probably coming from Isaiah 40:3, "prepare the way of the Lord." Other Jews also called them "the Nazarenes," while another Jewish-Christian sect called themselves "Ebionites" (lit. "the poor").So you're saying Jewish belief and practices in the OT was not Judaism?
Does it have another name?
The truth is that there is none righteous, no, not one. Every single descendant of Adam is corrupted by sin, and therefore is condemned already. So, God doesn't have to do anything to allow reprobate people to go to Hell. But because of His mercy, He sent His Son to die on the Cross for our sin, even the sin of the whole word, and gave the invitation that all those who choose to believe on Christ will be saved. Therefore, if a person remains reprobate, it is because they ignored or refused the invitation that God has given in Christ.I think that makes sense. IOW, double predestination - it seems to me - “relates” to God in one way, and to us in a different way.
That it may be certain with God, does not imply any lack of moral freedom or self-determination in the reprobate.
At any rate, reprobation imposes nothing on the reprobate, does not necessitate anything, is not fatalistic, and does not interfere with human freedom or responsibility.
AFAICS, anyway.
I think that reprobation, like salvation, is something “worked out” in the course of one’s life, just like salvation; that it is something people “grow into” - not something forced on them.
Though whether double predestination is well-founded in the Bible, is another matter. In any case, I don’t think the Calvinist doctrine imputes unfairness to God, or any kind of compulsion to the doctrine of reprobation.
You do good for an old codger!
The lady won't confess her age. . .yet.
I was born in '66...You do good for an old codger!
The lady won't confess her age. . .yet.
Ok. Augustine was responsible for bringing it in the church. Previous to him free will was uniformly held with only Gnostics and Manicheans advancing itWe had a discussion here about determinism not too long ago.
The truth is that there is none righteous, no, not one. Every single descendant of Adam is corrupted by sin, and therefore is condemned already. So, God doesn't have to do anything to allow reprobate people to go to Hell. But because of His mercy, He sent His Son to die on the Cross for our sin, even the sin of the whole word, and gave the invitation that all those who choose to believe on Christ will be saved. Therefore, if a person remains reprobate, it is because they ignored or refused the invitation that God has given in Christ.
Or will it be similar to Malachi 1:1-2?No reprobate person have any excuse at the judgment. They won't be able to tell the Lord that they had no choice because they were predestined for condemnation no matter what they were able to do. The answer to them will be, "I gave you the invitation to believe My Gospel and to put your trust in Me for your salvation, but you refused it."
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