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God had a whale swallow Jonah to force compliance with God's will, so the result (compliance) is God's will but the method (whale) is not?Being swallowed by a great fish was not God's will (secret or revealed), but it was part of the method God used to attain Jonah's necessary compliance.
If you can't apprehend the kingdom (things) of God, why would you bother to "repent?"
Born Again is the moment a person believes in Christ and the Resurrection. It is the moment of FaithAs he met Jesus, fell off the horse, he got convicted. But I don't believe he was yet born again.
Born Again is the moment a person believes in Christ and the Resurrection. It is the moment of Faith
Saul was absolutely convinced of Christ the moment Christ identified Himself. At that moment, Saul was born again. And convicted in one sentence.
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutes
In that instant, Saul was born again.
I am seeing that various denominations and personal experience vary. Every List has faith, conviction, repentance, baptism although the order varies and the time.You think?
That's not my experience
I am seeing that various denominations and personal experience vary. Every List has faith, conviction, repentance, baptism although the order varies and the time.
What is your experience?
I notice Christians here, being either in a Christian home or in the Christian culture don't mention Faith.I got convicted and understood I was not going to heaven. That brought me to repentance and during prayer I experienced being forgiven, born anew and getting a changed heart.
I notice Christians here, being either in a Christian home or in the Christian culture don't mention Faith.
Faith, for me, was an Act of God. Believing in Christ was not my own power or choice.
To believe is instantaneous. It was to "see" the Bible, Christ and the Resurrection as true.
I could have been convicted, repented, been baptized but without that initial "Faith" that absolute certainty, it would have been nothing.
If I met you in person, I could never deny your truth. That was Saul. He could never deny Christ after Christ spoke to him. That is born again, to me
We are all Christians and while each of us has our own experience, all of us are saved.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.I have heard a testimony from a former drug addict who got instantly born again when she and a friend used tarot cards (believe it or not). As the card with Jesus came up she said the Holy Spirit came strongly over her and she got saved. Her whole life turned around, she stopped doing drugs etc. So I guess it happens, but it wasn't like that for me.
The Lord works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform.
Yes, if a person believes in Christ's death and resurrection, that is the core of Christian although conviction, repentance and baptism occur in time, as those acts were performed by Paul in the fullness of time.
Yes, Saul on the road to Damascus is a great story though. I enjoy reading the Bible.I think it's hard, would even say impossible to know for sure about Paul
Yes, Saul on the road to Damascus is a great story though. I enjoy reading the Bible.
I have been Christian for a long time but not in a Christian network. So I never talk about Christianity.
I was here for a while a long time ago but life intervened. It is still new to me.
Interesting to see what other Christians believe.
Yes, that is my cat. She likes climbing trees. Hard to see but she has very pale eyes, almost the color of water.
This is the longest I have had a cat. 10 yrs. I have an old dog, 14 yrs, might have to put down, few weeks, a month...but that's life.Ah! I grew up having a cat. He died at the age of 16. Still love cats.
Why do you tell me the Bible gives us many examples of man making choices? Of course man makes choices! Who says otherwise?It does not matter what Calvin said or what men believe he said. It only matters what God has said.
God is sovereign and knows who will receive Christ and who will reject Christ. That does not mean that God has predetermined who will receive and who will reject.
The bible gives us many examples of man making choices. Some wise and some unwise but all choices allowed by God and used to glorify Him.
I like cats at someone else's house.Ah! I grew up having a cat. He died at the age of 16. Still love cats.
It's not that I disagree. It's that implications can be too easily drawn from words that are too vague.What are your thoughts on Christ being divine, his payment would have infinite merit?
Why do you think that would not be true?
I don't see that saying that God has chosen not to save some. I'm guessing the question never came up. He made the Elect for his particular creation. He made the rest for another purpose. Because of sin, both the Elect and the rest of humanity deserve death and Hell. But God, according to his purposes, saves those he chose to save. The rest are still going to Hell.This is from Calvin:
By predestination we mean the eternal decree of God, by which he determined with himself whatever he wished to happen with regard to every man. All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.
This is the longest I have had a cat. 10 yrs. I have an old dog, 14 yrs, might have to put down, few weeks, a month...but that's life.
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